Quote from I Pwn3d Jo0I mean mornings make it hard
Indeed they do.
Are you afraid of death?
Started by: devi | Replies: 53 | Views: 5,233
Nov 6, 2014 12:15 PM #1265615
Indeed they do.
Nov 6, 2014 12:19 PM #1265617
Quote from Dimentwe never know when death is coming, important is stay watch out and careful!
Yeah, man. Even if it's boring and honestly quite stressful to not do anything dangerous and to always worry about dying in a freak accident, the important part is making it through 70 years of a careful, boring life so that you can arrive to your deathbed safely and die there instead.
Nov 10, 2014 5:17 AM #1267051
That's what my uncle said before he died at 60. I'm not even kidding.
Nov 10, 2014 6:16 AM #1267061
With or without the sarcasm? :confused:
Nov 10, 2014 6:53 AM #1267066
Without. He was a hearty man who always ate what he wanted, and he used this line on my mom who kept begging him to see a doctor about his girth.
Nov 10, 2014 7:44 AM #1267071
Quote from CronosExcept it wouldn't be you that came back.
It would be something that wasn't you.
Unless of coarse you're counting on the 100% chance that on an infinite time scale, the astronomically improbable probability that billions of atoms arrange themselves in such a way that mirrors your own brain before death. In that case, yes. Instant life.
But then again not really. Because it's just another version of you. An identical stream of conciousness, but not your stream of consciousness. So you yourself would not be experiencing it. Another way I like to look at this is the thought that our stream of consciousness dies every time we go to sleep. And we wake up thinking nothing happened, because we're just a new stream of consciousness with all of the relevant memories. We think we've been living for years, yet we haven't. We just have the memory of living all those years. But now we're just getting into the definition of 'life' and whether or not constant uninterrupted conciousness is a prerequisite to remaining alive. There's also the question as to whether this has any relevance whatsoever to others experiencing you through time from an external point of view.
The idea that the same atoms forming my being rearranging in the same way that I was at any given time not being 'me' implies magical thinking, though. Oh Cronos.
Nov 29, 2014 3:09 PM #1275207
I don't fear it happening, but before it's happening.
Nov 29, 2014 6:07 PM #1275283
I don't fear being dead, but I fear dying.
This is pretty much Parfit's "teletransportation" example. Imagine that you are put inside a transporting device that will transport you to the other side of the world. The way in which it does this is by destroying your body and re-creating the atoms that constitute you in exactly the same formation across the other side of the world. Would you say that this being is you? I would say (and so would Parfit) that it is only a replica. An example to demonstrate this further is this: suppose you get into the transporter, and are then brought out. The scientist says "there's been a problem. The teletransportation has worked, but it's just taking a little longer than we'd hoped to destroy this version of you. You'll be dead in 10 minutes. It's okay though, look, here's you in Australia successfully transported! There you are, walking on the beach!". Would you say that it is you that has been transported?
I tend to think that an uninterrupted stream of consciousness is the basis for being called alive, and retaining your identity.
Quote from WartoothThe idea that the same atoms forming my being rearranging in the same way that I was at any given time not being 'me' implies magical thinking, though. Oh Cronos.
This is pretty much Parfit's "teletransportation" example. Imagine that you are put inside a transporting device that will transport you to the other side of the world. The way in which it does this is by destroying your body and re-creating the atoms that constitute you in exactly the same formation across the other side of the world. Would you say that this being is you? I would say (and so would Parfit) that it is only a replica. An example to demonstrate this further is this: suppose you get into the transporter, and are then brought out. The scientist says "there's been a problem. The teletransportation has worked, but it's just taking a little longer than we'd hoped to destroy this version of you. You'll be dead in 10 minutes. It's okay though, look, here's you in Australia successfully transported! There you are, walking on the beach!". Would you say that it is you that has been transported?
I tend to think that an uninterrupted stream of consciousness is the basis for being called alive, and retaining your identity.
Dec 1, 2014 9:23 AM #1276093
But have you ever heard of the entanglement theory?... I'm not trying to say that your point is wrong/flawed because I do agree that teleporting is the same dying in the sense that it's just a recreated version of you... But entanglement theory would be the reason you can say that the recreated version of you is you in the down to the last measurements... I just always have to show there are two sides to every thing