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Ok let me keep trying. Do we blame ourselves for global warming or do we blame the sun? Let me know if this is any better.

That is still not what this thread is talking about.

If you're going to blame anything I say blame nationalists, specially the nationalistic fanatics.
Usually they are quite closed minded which was the main thing that started many wars, they tend to believe their country is above every other, and are EXTREMELY prideful. Now there is nothing wrong with loving your country but don't look down on other cultures just because they are different.

Btw great topic idea.

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Btw great topic idea.

Clearly you don't think so because you obviously haven't taken the time to read the topic and your post shows it.

Next person who posts here who blatantly doesn't read the topic properly gets an infraction.

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We should blame Zed for using such a vague thread title, resulting in all these incorrect topic assumptions.

The thread title may be vague, but is it really so hard to read all of 4 pages?

I usually only read the 1st and last page of any thread. Sorry that I said something you feel like didn't fit so, I'm just going to slowly back out of this entire fourm.

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I usually only read the 1st and last page of any thread. Sorry that I said something you feel like didn't fit so, I'm just going to slowly back out of this entire fourm.

he doesn't "feel like" it doesnt fit
it has absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic. If you read the first post at all you'd know that.
He's not just attacking you out of left field here

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he doesn't "feel like" it doesnt fit
it has absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic. If you read the first post at all you'd know that.
He's not just attacking you out of left field here

That was my fault on my wording I didn't feel like he was attacking me, if it came across that way, sorry.

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We should blame Zed for using such a vague thread title, resulting in all these incorrect topic assumptions.

My bad. Fixed.

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Blame cannot have a rule. As a person, you can blame whoever you want. It is all based on opinion. There are different criteria that can be used in different situations. There are no criteria that can completely encompass any situation, simply because not all of them will apply. It's hard to articulate what I'm trying to say, but these rules you speak of are really just completely arbitrary. People have the intuition to blame the correct person in many cases, often better than a set of hard rules can.

There are a lot of assertions here but not much in the way of argument to back it up. It is not a generally accepted fact that blame should be assigned arbitrarily and entirely on the basis of opinion (although I leave open the possibility that this is how blame is in fact assigned). If there is no objective fact of the matter then how do we justify, for example, putting people in prison for murder? If blame is just a matter of opinion - even an opinion which is universally held - then we have no rational grounds for saying that one person rather than another is to blame for the crime. If blame was assigned based on opinion then that would necessarily imply the possibility for someone to be in possession of all the facts and still disagree over where the blame lies, which would mean you could theoretically have two judges who knew everything about the crime make different decisions about who was guilty.

In fact, you yourself implied that blame was not a matter of opinion when, in your last sentence, you said people often blame "the correct person" - if blame was a matter of opinion then there would be no one correct person.

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My bad. Fixed.

I was just being sarcastic. I originally came in here to say I usually just blamed Raptor for everything, but then I saw he had his boomstick ready, so had to change my tune into something more productive.

I think who did what cause the problem and as for the example about the plant if Justu was given the
responsibility over the plant so hes got to remember to water it so you could blame him.

Let's look at a common saying, then- "The straw that broke the camel's back."
With this, we have a really unfortunate camel that people have been piling a bunch of hay onto- straw by straw, until the poor thing's back breaks.
We as humans have a tendency to blame the final straw. In fact, that's even it's own saying. But that one piece of straw didn't break the camel's back- neither did any other single straw, nor any singular unit of hay where one or more straws are missing, as that exact number of straws would be required for that camel's back to break.
So when we're looking at responsibility- the camel's responsible for letting people put all this on it's back to begin with, the people for putting it on it's back, and the straws for being available in mass quantities and having mass, as well as the earth for pulling the mass of hay to it through gravity.

But do we really blame the earth?

The answer that is so simple that we may as well close the thread and call it a day- we don't blame the earth, blaming the earth doesn't do anything. We could blame the camel, and if by some miracle it was able to understand us, it might avoid people carrying large amounts of hay. But then what happens if the people carrying straw can outrun the camel- or if the camel dies of hunger because the hay is it's only food source? In the last case, you could again try blaming the earth for not having unlimited amounts of hay lying around, but that's not going to do any good. So really, the only place you could put the blame is on the people for exploiting the things that can't be changed. And even then, blaming the people might not get you anywhere. They may just ignore you, throw stuff at you, maybe put a bunch of hay on your back, removing your say in things. Maybe you could try talking them down- or if you want to get all authoritarian- arrest them, put them to death? Blame should only be used as a tool to change people who are susceptible to it. Placing blame isn't the only way to solve problem, or even the best way. There are kinder ways to solve a situation like this, as well as stricter or even crueler ones. For there to be any point in blame, reasoning, incarcerating- it has to solve the original dilemma, ideally in a way that minimizes harm. Blame can in some cases be very harmful, but in others very useful- even to some degree merciful relative to something like killing or jailing whoever's causing the problem. It's not for every person, nor every scenario, and by all means- accept responsibility for your actions and you won't need anyone blaming you for them to begin with.