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It's no insult, you just seem more mature than your age. (Smarter maybe?)

Seems like you know more than you're supposed to know at that age. You know?

Haha thanks dude. No I do read a lot for school and I check stuff on wiki before posting it here. I would like to think of myself as an intelligent 16 year old who is eager to learn about life and stuff, but my real passion is fight animations.

Oh wait! I thought there was just three ranks.
Beginner -> Intermediate -> Professional

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Oh wait! I thought there was just three ranks.
Beginner -> Intermediate -> Professional

Apparently, Dipi thinks my obsession with Terkoiz (!?) would cause me to think differently.

But seriously, the Beginner - Intermediate - Professional ranking system is not even remotely indigenous to animation. Almost every skill ranks its practitioners thing way. From carpenters to singers.

I Still think it works for animation though, so if it ain't broke.
If you can look at your animation and decide what rank it is then you aren't that far from improving.
Not talking about the delusional ones who think they are just the best and are not going to let anything bring them down.

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You basically answered yourself

what are you even fucking smoking

Eh, my thoughts are that the rankings are tiers of thresholds that are measured in your capabilities.


I'd try Nish but most of his attributes would be 15+

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I did answer it

And I can also see that this thread has completely gone off the tracks to transform into a circle-jerking discussion too

No you didn't answer it. Three people feel that you didn't. No one except you feels that it did. Its become circle-jerking because you made a spiteful uncalled for assumption about me, and refused to clarify yourself and are outright lying that you did. That would be what a troll does and I would like to think you are more intelligent than that.

Can you guys stop derailing the thread and take it to the Chat thread already?

On topic, I agree with Envoy on this one. Here's my thoughts on this(Mainly on the "Clans/Groups" current system):

Ranking animators by their skill level is subjective(comparison) and stupid. It's subjective because an animator who just started could say Terkoiz was amazing but I would say otherwise, stating that Terkoiz is mediocre. It's stupid because it promotes animators to form "groups" or what we call here, "Clans", which just takes away the essence of actually learning something. Expounding on what Envoy said, "High level" clans are apparently helpless when it comes to helping the "Low level" clans. The fact that clans even have a "Standard" of an animators skill level just greatly discourages learning between the one's who know and to those who don't know yet but then again, Clans is part of the RHG system in which people are free to avoid and create their own groups purely for learning but unfortunately, majority of the animators now are so into "RHG" that it can be considered a taboo for not having one.

Personally, I created "DISPATCH" to cater to this problem. I allowed anyone, whatever their experience with animation, to join. I created exercises consisting of the very basics(Walking & Jumping) and gave out really long paragraphs of C&C's to help out people. What saddens me the most is that, and I'm not bragging, only my clan actually gave a damn about helping others and actually making them improve. Most of the clans at the moment are only for aesthetics. I'm not one to judge but shouldn't the standards of clans change?

If you haven't yet, please do read to what I've contributed to DiPi's thread about "Discouragement" over here. I mainly talked about what animators should pursue when they are just starting.

I don't claim myself to be all-knowing and I am merely still a student. If you guys disagree with what I said, please do tell me and let's discuss it formally.

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Can you guys stop derailing the thread and take it to the Chat thread already?

Not until I get an answer to why a troll comment was hurled at me, except "I already explained it" when no explanation was given. How about you stop talking to me like you're a moderator? If he makes a statement about me "I KNOW what your ranking will be, TERKOIZ 1 TERKOIZ 2 I KNOW WHAT U NOOBS ARE LIKE", you're goddamn right I'll ask for an answer. I was accused of being some sort of childish Terkoiz follower, and I proceeded to act that way until I get a proper answer for why that was levelled at me.


Oh also "lelz".

Sorry Zero, I have to stand by Nish on this one. Dipi hasn't explained anything at all about his presumptions. But Nish, it would help if you also dialed the zaniness to zero, because you're attracting all sorts of derailment as it is.

My fundamental questions remain unanswered:

1) What is a low/mid/high beginner/inter/advance?

^I'm not asking if you believe in the levels. I'm just asking what being in those levels is "suppose" to mean? Because I see it often spoken or tossed around in the RHG section and I often wonder where those guys stand.

2) Is there a step-by-step progression to take the tuts?

Thats all this thread means to ask. Forget the discussion for a moment with regards to my rant.

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majority of the animators now are so into "RHG" that it can be considered a taboo for not having one.

Personally, I created "DISPATCH" to cater to this problem. I allowed anyone, whatever their experience with animation, to join. I created exercises consisting of the very basics(Walking & Jumping) and gave out really long paragraphs of C&C's to help out people. What saddens me the most is that, and I'm not bragging, only my clan actually gave a damn about helping others and actually making them improve. Most of the clans at the moment are only for aesthetics. I'm not one to judge but shouldn't the standards of clans change?

Agreed. True enough, most clans are around just for show and are pretty much overrated and useless.
The way I see it, it started out as healthy competition, but now it just seems like obligatory squander.

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1) What is a low/mid/high beginner/inter/advance?

^I'm not asking if you believe in the levels. I'm just asking what being in those levels is "suppose" to mean? Because I see it often spoken or tossed around in the RHG section and I often wonder where those guys stand.

I'd say that being low to mid beginner makes someone a very new entrant to a vast range of animation concepts. Ranging from realistic movement, construction, visual aesthetics, time, cinematics, effects to actual software interfaces and using them to their maximum potential. By the time you reach what people consider high inter/pro you'll likely have a good grasp on all of these things if not total mastery.

That's the best answer I can give you Hewitt.

Yes, that's right. Just ignore the entire reason behind this thread. Just go ahead and mouth off your own agendas.

I have questions. It's been 6 pages and no one's answering them.

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Sorry Zero, I have to stand by Nish on this one. Dipi hasn't explained anything at all about his presumptions. But Nish, it would help if you also dialed the zaniness to zero, because you're attracting all sorts of derailment as it is.

Sir, I shall abide by this. But I shall be wanting an answer for why my name was besmirched without rhyme or reason.


Hewitt, in response to your earliest question, lets say some of the 'oldies' were to again take an interest in basic old-school animation, do you feel that alleviates the situation?

I hope you stop after this, Nish


Let's explain what happened


First, Nish makes this post

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People should send me their animations and I will allocate them a rank accordingly.

Considering Nish's reputations in making jokes (as we could see on his other posts on this thread), I decided to make a joke about it
Which is this post

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Yep, I can imagine your ranks
number 1 - Terkoiz level
number 2 - Terkoiz level
number 3 - Terkoiz level
try to guess all of them up to number 34 and so on

The reason I used the "Terkoiz level" pun was not because you're a Terkoiz fan nor because you talk about Terkoiz. Essentially, I used him because when people talk sarcastically about RHG they tend to use him
But you assumed that what I wrote wasn't a joke and started questioning

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What is it about ANYTHING that I have ever posted in my 5 years in stickpage that convinced you I would take up this ranking system? Seriously.

However, since you added to that post another joke

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He is referring to the few animations that I made, after which stickpage was bathed in a pregnant glow of satisfaction for a few days because of how well I nailed the easing, spacing and smooth flow aspects of animation.

I decided to use it as an example to explain to you what I meant

This said, the following post

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He is referring to the few animations that I made, after which stickpage was bathed in a pregnant glow of satisfaction for a few days because of how well I nailed the easing, spacing and smooth flow aspects of animation.

You basically answered yourself

was to be read in this way:
Q-What is it about ANYTHING that I have ever posted in my 5 years in stickpage that convinced you I would take up this ranking system?
A-The fact that it is a joke just like yours

Ta dah!

However, let's add the fact that you, not understanding the joke, instead of not giving that much weight about it, decided to start a trollish circle-jerking discussion because you didn't get what I meant
I didn't give a proper explanation of it because I feared that I'd have "fed the troll" by speaking seriously (thing that I already did, since I did already answered you)
However, seeing that you got over and over obsessed with it, thus "feeding" the circle-jerking, I decided to try to speak rationally

PS
Can we get back to the topic?

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My fundamental questions remain unanswered:

1) What is a low/mid/high beginner/inter/advance?
^I'm not asking if you believe in the levels. I'm just asking what being in those levels is "suppose" to mean? Because I see it often spoken or tossed around in the RHG section and I often wonder where those guys stand.

Thresholds, capability measurement and expectations filter.

2) Is there a step-by-step progression to take the tuts?
Thats all this thread means to ask. Forget the discussion for a moment with regards to my rant.

Probably, starting with the very basics followed by activites like the Bouncing Ball and simple movement "tests". From there you move towards walk cycles and basic choreography to more difficult tasks (kinda like Zero's method). Although there ought to be heaps of practice in between.

I am rambling, I disclaim that I might have minimal awareness (and difficulty of expression) of what I'm trying to say. I tried.