so every single time I use just a normal B hit, it'll deal the exact same amount of damage every single time?

because if the amount of damage varies by an RNG element of ONE it's not a competitive sport, in my eyes.

If there is ZERO RNG element, then super smash is a competitive sport.

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so every single time I use just a normal B hit, it'll deal the exact same amount of damage every single time?

because if the amount of damage varies by an RNG element of ONE it's not a competitive sport, in my eyes.

If there is ZERO RNG element, then super smash is a competitive sport.

Well the damage is always consistent if the player is always consistent, it's not determined by RNG that much is for sure.
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Bowser_Jr._%28SSB4%29
Scroll down to his move set and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Certain attacks do more damage and more knockback on certain frames of their animation, like fox's sex kick.
While on the first frame it's possible to KO people off the side of the map, it's actually a popular strategy to hit with it late, so that the knock back is less and thus easier to combo with at higher percentages.

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so every single time I use just a normal B hit, it'll deal the exact same amount of damage every single time?

because if the amount of damage varies by an RNG element of ONE it's not a competitive sport, in my eyes.

If there is ZERO RNG element, then super smash is a competitive sport.

Why exactly does it have to be absolute zero randomness? That's not something most sports could even accomplish, I don't think. I.E. a random gust of wind in golf, any weather-related anything in any sport. (We can't yet predict weather with 100% certainty.) Poker has already been mentioned a ton of times, and then you have things such as player morale, the quality of the actual physical playing field, slight variations in the quality of the equipment and so on and so forth.

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so every single time I use just a normal B hit, it'll deal the exact same amount of damage every single time?

because if the amount of damage varies by an RNG element of ONE it's not a competitive sport, in my eyes.

If there is ZERO RNG element, then super smash is a competitive sport.

No it's consistent. Staling (aka using the same move in succession aka spamming) decreases the amount of damage dealt by an attack, but staling itself is not determined via RNG.

Zero RNG seems like a weak argument in general knowing that many sports usually have some degree of randomness to it that can affect the game. On the other hand, I respect your argument in that RNG spawning in CS:GO affects the game much more than any gust of wind does. However, like you said, that is an extreme case of RNG, and it isn't fair to exclude other games by using the rigid definition of having slight alterations of RNG when many sports are affected by similarly minor random elements.

The best way to classify it is simply, a competition.

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The best way to classify it is simply, a competition.

okay. all sports can be classified as competitions. but are all competitions sport?

If I ask my friend who the better writer is, it's a competition. I don't think all competitions are sports.

I don't think RNG is the greatest argument lol.. For games like League, even if there is rng, it's not like it'll determine the outcome of the entire game at a pro level. Maybe it'll make the difference between a critical last fight where both teams are on equal levels, but if your team is just better, chances are you'll always win. Even sports like Hockey have a ton of RNG... Sticks breaking at critical times leading to turnovers, Awkward bounces on the boards that leads to a goal, a patch of rough ice that causes someone to trip at the wrong time, etc, etc. With this argument, SSMB is more of a sport than Hockey then lol.

Edit: Tbh, I feel that any sport inherently will have some form of randomness, whether it be a lucky bounce, some unforseen event, a boxers eye that gets clipped and has forfeit cause of bleeding, etc. It's just that if your team is better, odd's are you'll just win even if the other team is lucky because you can dictate the pace of the game and the opponents won't get many chances to be "lucky". It's ironic cause you'd think a game that is programmed to always stay consistent would be the one that has no randomness and they actually have to program it in so that there's more diversity.

And I don't really think it's a huge deal if e-sports is really considered a sport by definition. The main goal is for it to be recognized as a sport so it can raise awareness to the masses that don't know much about gaming that... it's not just a mindless game that lazy people play. It's something that can be incredibly difficult and involves crazy amounts of skill, reaction and thinking. That it's something everyone can watch, play and enjoy. There's no doubt that gaming will be more and more popular as the years go by since the older generations have no idea what gaming is about.

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And I don't really think it's a huge deal if e-sports is really considered a sport by definition. The main goal is for it to be recognized as a sport so it can raise awareness to the masses that don't know much about gaming that... it's not just a mindless game that lazy people play. It's something that can be incredibly difficult and involves crazy amounts of skill, reaction and thinking. That it's something everyone can watch, play and enjoy. There's no doubt that gaming will be more and more popular as the years go by since the older generations have no idea what gaming is about.

I agree to an extent, and I think Exilement summed it up pretty well in his first post on page 1.

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It depends on how you define 'sport'. You can google that definition and find many different but similar definitions from various sport federations, some acknowledge non-physical games as sports, some don't. There's no universal definition for either side of this argument to base their arguments on.

Personally I see e-sports as what it is, competitive and organized gaming competitions. The title is fitting enough. I don't see why it needs to be seen as a 'true sport' for some people, as if it makes it more legitimate or something. It is what it is, who cares what you call it.