Fat acceptance

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Aug 4, 2015 1:48 PM #1391474
as much as i hate fat people too, I think you guys are focusing too making obesity out to be a sickness, instead of a symptom of a much larger issue.

Obesity is inversely proportional to income level, since lower-income people neither have the interest or capital to invest in Gym memberships, healthy, perishable food or healthy habits
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Shit food is cheaper than good food, and to many adults, there's no choice.

However, in the middle and upper class people I'm pretty sure you people are talking about, yeah it's dumb.

We should view obesity the same way we view smoking. It's strongly discouraged and you should be well aware of the health risks, but it's your call.
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Aug 4, 2015 2:08 PM #1391484
Although that problem seems too hard to solve outright, no matter how hard we try. I guess that's why the research is focusing on the fallout instead.

Despite comparisons with smoking, alcohol and drugs, which can be easily identified as "bad", the thing with obesity is that it's not entirely an external object you can easily avoid. Sure you can teach a child to never touch a bottle of Gin or a pack of cigarettes, it's different (and probably difficult) to stop something that can stem within.
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Aug 4, 2015 2:15 PM #1391486
This thread has quickly gone away from its original purpose. No one is debating whether or not being fat is a good idea. We all know it sucks. I think the original point is whether or not Fat Shaming is acceptable or not as a way of combating the problem.
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Aug 4, 2015 2:42 PM #1391491
I feel like it's more or less the general consensus that just blindly accepting people who've become truly obese/overweight isn't a good thing, and at the same time just shaming them over their bodies is also no good. I'm especially against shaming in children, since as I previously mentioned, they don't exactly have control over their diet, only some of their exercise habits, and if those and a general health concerns aren't implanted at a younger age, it only becomes harder on them to improve with age, making shaming even worse and blind acceptance even more enabling.

Shaming anybody over their body image is, in my opinion, just a detestable thing to do. Unless you've known the person for a time, you've no real backing of their history to give you any proper rights to judge their body. It's just an asshole thing to do. Having a discussion with a person who is overweight/obese, and actually explaining to them why their weight can be a concern is a more positive and likely effective way to go about it, and ultimately, if they're an adult, it's then up to them to push towards healthier living, remain as they are, or sink further into unhealthiness, and even then sometimes their choices aren't as simple as that giving less moral backing towards shaming.

In a similar vein, I think blind acceptance is a form of evil as well, as it enables. It says "It's ok that your legs are going out, you shouldn't let society's standards get to you, you're beautiful because you're you." This kind of bogus logic to spare people's feelings just makes them less likely to attempt to do anything for their own benefit and lowers their chances at healthy living. If people dialed it back, and were more like "You shouldn't worry about the standards society places on body image, but I do worry that your weight can have negative impacts on your health. If you're comfortable as you are, then alright, I can accept that. Just give it some thought though, alright?" Then you can drop it there. Are you accepting of them? Yes. Are you still looking out for their best interests? Hell yes, even more so than the one who coddles adults like they're damn children, and gives fat kids extra cookies and ice cream so they're not sad that they can't see past their stomach.

And that's my rant.

An interesting thing I've been taught, and I do need to look more into it, is that fat cells are actually formed at a young age, before one goes into puberty, and then from that point on it's merely growing or shrinking the preexisting ones. The reason I find this interesting is that it means that if we better control the habits and weights of people at a younger age, they'll grow into adults with severely weakened risks of becoming overweight or obese.
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Aug 4, 2015 2:46 PM #1391492
I think not, there are other ways to convince the masses that getting horribly overweight is not a good idea like informative concerns and waifu propaganda. Fat Shaming just engages in bullying schadenfreude or something, where the unfortunate folk just gets harassed like it's whale season....and what Azure said.
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Aug 4, 2015 2:47 PM #1391494
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This thread has quickly gone away from its original purpose. No one is debating whether or not being fat is a good idea. We all know it sucks. I think the original point is whether or not Fat Shaming is acceptable or not as a way of combating the problem.


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We should view obesity the same way we view smoking. It's strongly discouraged and you should be well aware of the health risks, but it's your call.


ye read up faggot
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Aug 4, 2015 3:22 PM #1391503
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I think not, there are other ways to convince the masses that getting horribly overweight is not a good idea like informative concerns and waifu propaganda. Fat Shaming just engages in bullying schadenfreude or something, where the unfortunate folk just gets harassed like it's whale season....and what Azure said.


Wait what the fuck does waifu propaganda have to do with any of this.
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Aug 4, 2015 3:28 PM #1391505
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Wait what the fuck does waifu propaganda have to do with any of this.
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Well, it appeals to a normally-untargeted demographic. It sorta worked getting people to use IE and maybe switch religions. But I digress, it does have no relations to the topic, I just brought it up as an example of unorthodox idea-spreading.
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Aug 4, 2015 6:22 PM #1391556
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Well, it appeals to a normally-untargeted demographic. It sorta worked getting people to use IE and maybe switch religions. But I digress, it does have no relations to the topic, I just brought it up as an example of unorthodox idea-spreading.


Oh I see.
Make someone use a different browser with anime? Plausible. Make someone switch religions with anime? Yeah that's not happening to any sane person.
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Aug 4, 2015 8:16 PM #1391568
I say this

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Aug 4, 2015 11:43 PM #1391613
Tch, if only we can glamorize exercise and weight loss as a habit that can be easily taken up like smoking.
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Aug 5, 2015 4:48 AM #1391694
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as much as i hate fat people too, I think you guys are focusing too making obesity out to be a sickness, instead of a symptom of a much larger issue.

Obesity is inversely proportional to income level, since lower-income people neither have the interest or capital to invest in Gym memberships, healthy, perishable food or healthy habits
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Shit food is cheaper than good food, and to many adults, there's no choice.

However, in the middle and upper class people I'm pretty sure you people are talking about, yeah it's dumb.

We should view obesity the same way we view smoking. It's strongly discouraged and you should be well aware of the health risks, but it's your call.


no no, shit fast food is cheaper than good fast food. if you are willing to get off your ass and cook a meal, you'll find it's much much cheaper than anything you might otherwise buy ready-made. i can spend ten dollars and get a burger meal at mcdonald's, or i can spend twenty dollars and get a meal from a cafe that isn't so unhealthy... but i could also just spend ten dollars at the supermarket and spend a bit of time to make a stew that will feed me for a whole week, which will be healthier than any of the previously mentioned options.

yeah, there's some correlation between income and obesity, but correlation isn't the same as causation. low income isn't any excuse to eat shit food. it's actually a lot more cost effective to cook healthy meals yourself.
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Aug 5, 2015 6:43 AM #1391719
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no no, shit fast food is cheaper than good fast food. if you are willing to get off your ass and cook a meal, you'll find it's much much cheaper than anything you might otherwise buy ready-made. i can spend ten dollars and get a burger meal at mcdonald's, or i can spend twenty dollars and get a meal from a cafe that isn't so unhealthy... but i could also just spend ten dollars at the supermarket and spend a bit of time to make a stew that will feed me for a whole week, which will be healthier than any of the previously mentioned options.

yeah, there's some correlation between income and obesity, but correlation isn't the same as causation. low income isn't any excuse to eat shit food. it's actually a lot more cost effective to cook healthy meals yourself.


>Implying people have the money to pay for gas, a stove to begin with, the time and interest to cook or the education to know what and how to cook
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Aug 5, 2015 7:03 AM #1391724
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>Implying people have the money to pay for gas, a stove to begin with, the time and interest to cook or the education to know what and how to cook


Ye read up faggot.
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Aug 5, 2015 8:27 AM #1391752
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>Implying people have the money to pay for gas, a stove to begin with, the time and interest to cook or the education to know what and how to cook


a) if you're that poor you're not going to become obese.
b) we already discussed education as a necessity
c) lack of interest isn't an excuse