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You probably never watch any brawl tournament before. Yet calling others fanboys. sigh

I have, or I wouldn't be saying anything in the first place.

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There is diversity though? Fox, Falco, Falcon, Sheik, Marth, Peach, ICs, Pikachu, Luigi, Jigglypuff, Samus, Ganondorf and even Yoshi have been represented in the past year and I personally find that to be a lot of characters. Sure, some characters are winning more than others but if you're gonna pull out that argument then I might as well say that basically the only characters that have been winning stuff in Smash 4 are ZSS, Sheik and Rosalina. I still do not understand his argument.

Come on, I know that Melee has decent diversity, but from a top 32 standpoint Smash 4 is definitely more diverse than Melee.

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http://smashboards.com/threads/melee-v-brawl-which-has-more-playstyle-variety.185799/

read the first post. And surpisingly enough, it's my opinion.

Not really a great way to support your argument. I do agree with what your saying in that Smash 4 is more diverse and that's why you might like it better, but it's just incorrect to say that characters are played in the same way. The guy you linked sounded more ignorant than your original post ironically lol.

Also, did you just dig up a locked thread on SWF from 08 lmao

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I have, or I wouldn't be saying anything in the first place.

Except that calling Brawl more diverse than any Smash game sans maybe Smash 64 is just factually incorrect lol, that's not an opinion.

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He also said that Brawl had variety and that made me want to take his post less seriously though lol

Filthy casual here. Kindly explain why Brawl has no variety whatsoever. If you're all going to be arrogant SHFGs to McPerson because he doesn't appear to "know what he's talking about", then answer me straight because I'm genuinely curious.

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Filthy casual here. Kindly explain why Brawl has no variety whatsoever. If you're all going to be arrogant SHFGs to McPerson because he doesn't appear to "know what he's talking about", then answer me straight because I'm genuinely curious.

Meta Knight, Ice Climbers, Diddy Kong, Snake, Marth. Even then, you'd only really see the first three really shine in the last days of Brawl. There are really only 7 or 8 viable characters in Brawl (9 if you want to stretch it) but MK, ICs, and to an extent Diddy and Snake were all so strong that they still mostly invalidated the rest of the cast.

The counter argument would be the Japanese scene since they had a surprising amount of character variety compared to the US, but it wasn't by that much of a substantial amount.

SHFGs

A what now

Well. I came here expecting an answer, but what I got was just more convoluted gobbledy-gook. I just wanted to confirm further that you guys really are SHFGs.

I mean McPerson might be ignorant, but the least you could do is stoop to his level and explain why instead of just saying UH NO BRAWL IS DUM AND UR DUM FOR SAYING OTHERWISE

No one said brawl sucks. It's just wrong to say brawl has more variety in tournaments :p That's all he was saying

Yeah but he wasn't explaining why. The convo just kept going back and forth without any concrete explanation why. He just kept saying "Oh silly McPerson, you don't know what you're talking about." like that friend who's trying to be cool by pretending to be mysterious and vague about everything when he just ends up looking like a faggot.

not implying raptor is a faggot, you're missing the point of the metaphor

Aside from mk whos pretty much fox of melee, theres only like ic, marth and snake whos actually viable for the top in every tournament. Theres a reason why theres pm and its more seen during tournaments instead of the original game itself.

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Yeah but he wasn't explaining why. The convo just kept going back and forth without any concrete explanation why. He just kept saying "Oh silly McPerson, you don't know what you're talking about." like that friend who's trying to be cool by pretending to be mysterious and vague about everything when he just ends up looking like a faggot.

not implying raptor is a faggot, you're missing the point of the metaphor

Well he sifts through Smashboards, is an active user on this thread, and seems to have a decent grasp on the competitive scene. Anyone who has all three of those qualities should know that Brawl is horribly balanced. Even the occasional layman knows this, it's not exactly a quality of Brawl known exclusively by competitive players. If Person McPerson was someone who was completely ignorant of the competitive scene, I definitely would have gone into more detail, but I thought it would be more patronizing than anything else since I respect his knowledge of the game itself.

I understand where you're coming from. But to me, it just appears like McPerson is talking shit about basic PRO-facts and is in fact just a poser. I wondered for the longest time if you guys knew this and were just stringing him along.

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I understand where you're coming from. But to me, it just appears like McPerson is talking shit about basic PRO-facts and is in fact just a poser. I wondered for the longest time if you guys knew this and were just stringing him along.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

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But to me, it just appears like McPerson is talking shit about basic PRO-facts and is in fact just a poser.

Thanks. But I never said I was an expert, I was more stating what I though of Melee.

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Thanks. But I never said I was an expert, I was more stating what I though of Melee.

Just so I clear it up, I do think your criticism of Melee is valid. Maybe you don't give it as much credit and give Smash 4 too much credit, but by the end of the day I still think you're mostly correct.

I just thought your comment about Brawl was pretty egregious lol

I think I was pretty clear in what I was saying. I was never invalidating person's opinion, but rather saying that he lacks research by saying that there are only 5-6 used characters in melee, and then giving him the facts. I also said that he has the right to find melee boring but if he wants to make that into an argument then he probably needs to do more than just personal experiences and guessing. Relying on facts is a good way to make your reasoning more believable.

As I said though, I am not trying to disrespect him and his opinions about the game. That'd be stupid. Melee isn't for everyone.

In other news...

You guys better upload your replays before tomorrow, because there's a balance patch coming with it, meaning that all of your replays will be deleted.

Also, there's another tier list made by Smashboards, but made by the sm4sh backroom staff. I say that it is more accurate than any other tier list I've ever seen:
http://smashboards.com/threads/first-official-4br-smash-for-wii-u-tier-list.429817/