Quote from Devour

Devi, did you read my defence post? I don't see how you can think that so strongly after I've explained how that can't be the case.

We have only tried to lynch people who play actively (Except for Apex finally). Folks who post a lot, PM or otherwise, are the ones who are scrutinized. They're the ones who get accusations because they're the only ones with content to accuse.

But the thing is, active players are almost always Town because they need to be active to find out who the Mafia is. The Mafia almost always hides under the radar and survives until lategame because of it. We seriously need to be suspicious of those who have flown under the radar without scrutiny all game long. Namely, Envoy and Devi.

Well then I mustn't have understood what you were saying, my bad, I'll read it again.


Here's the thing though. I have no content to accuse, I haven't sent PM's to other people, I've only ever received from Hewitt who had prodded me. I don't have a role who has night actions, so I don't have the power to do anything that would ultimately take us forward or backwards. I can only see what you all say you do with the night actions you guys have.

But do tell, none of you have told me what to do the whole game, what is the ideal way you guys want me to think since I'm Nick Fury? I've only ever done what I have on what I thought was best, with the information you guys discuss.

Update:

Apex - Zero, Nish, Youwishjellyfish, Devour, Exile, Mantha, devi (x2)

Apex's defence (unless the vote count changes) ends in 5 hours.

Quote from devi

Here's the thing though. I have no content to accuse, I haven't sent PM's to other people, I've only ever received from Hewitt who had prodded me. I don't have a role who has night actions, so I don't have the power to do anything that would ultimately take us forward or backwards. I can only see what you all say you do with the night actions you guys have.

But do tell, none of you have told me what to do the whole game, what is the ideal way you guys want me to think since I'm Nick Fury? I've only ever done what I have on what I thought was best, with the information you guys discuss.

Here's why this is all a bad thing. Time to do what I did to Mantha and Zero and press for some information:

Having no content to accuse is exactly what the Mafia wants to have. Especially here, so that people like Mantha and Jellyfish don't think to track you or stun you to stop a kill move. Out of sight, out of mind.
You don't have a night ability, but you have amazing power to influence the lynch vote. Why would you want to follow the direction of someone who might be Skrull if we're telling you who to vote for, unless you don't really care who gets lynched as long as it's not you?
Sitting in the back passively waiting for instructions is bad for the Town. It's what everyone did at the beginning, too. No one tried to figure things out. We all just waited for Exilement and absolutely nothing was being done because of it. It's exactly what the Mafia wants. It's not our job to play the game for other people, it's everyone's responsibility to be out there, reinforcing the will of the Town and spotting the inevitable mistakes that only a Skrull would make. Being inactive and hiding out of sight benefits no one but the Skrull.

So first order of business

#Vote Apex

The thing about Devi's ability is that it is blatantly obvious what his move was. As Nick Fury your true power as a Skrull comes in making up good arguments. So far Devi has largely conformed with the crowd in voting. And to be fair a lot of people are bandwagoning

if one had problems with it they can merely pm him about it so not all responsibility is on him.

Quote from Mantha

The thing is, you can't trust anyone but Exile with that sort of info, about whether he used Scry already or not. I know it'd be useful but I didn't want him to tell me, instead he should have kept it to himself and Exile. This shouldn't even be an issue.

Which brings me to my previous points in that Exile was inactive on D2 to D3, which is why I was worried and that I was trying to discuss the plausibility of telling the info on public, so everyone can see since Exile is away.

Quote from Exile

I still think the fact that Lami was giving out instructions to other players without even attempting to contact me is extremely strange, but like Devour said that move is so blatantly suspicious that it's hard to believe he'd take that risk.

That's understandable.

Quote from Not_Nish

@Zero: Can you tell us what exactly you saw that made you change your vote? Your question to the others makes it clear that you still may not think the evidence is sufficient, but you had no problem unvoting Apex and voting Raptor. You wanted to know why it was such a big deal, but had no problem changing your vote.

Sure.

Everyone was talking about how Raptor is suspicious for not answering a question. I went back a few pages and reread everything and I found it(It's the one that he accused you), thus, warranting my vote. Now, the next problem is, why did I make such a quick vote? It's because at that time, Apex felt and acted like a townie who just gave up in arguing. Honestly, he was incompetent if ever he is a townie and Raptor on the other hand just left a hole on his arguments. My reasoning for voting Raptor off was slightly more than of Apex(Raptor leaving out a question v.s. Apex's incompetence).

The thing is though is that Raptor explained himself and I was satisfied with it but I did not get the chance to change my vote back to Apex because I was asleep and I had a whole day of classes the next day. The next thing I knew, he was already lynched and day 3 had already ended.

Quote from devi

Here's the thing though. I have no content to accuse, I haven't sent PM's to other people, I've only ever received from Hewitt who had prodded me. I don't have a role who has night actions, so I don't have the power to do anything that would ultimately take us forward or backwards. I can only see what you all say you do with the night actions you guys have.

But do tell, none of you have told me what to do the whole game, what is the ideal way you guys want me to think since I'm Nick Fury? I've only ever done what I have on what I thought was best, with the information you guys discuss.

Dude, why are you waiting for us to give you orders or to tell you what to do? Your ability is terrifying if you can just bring out solid arguments. In fact, it's really weird that you are one of the inactives when in fact, your role's advantages is for you to be active and give out your points. Remember that you are a candidate in my list of lynching due to inactivity, you know that right?

If you really are a townie, please help us by giving out what you think rather than "flowing with the crowd".

Quote from En

So first order of business

#Vote Apex

The thing about Devi's ability is that it is blatantly obvious what his move was. As Nick Fury your true power as a Skrull comes in making up good arguments. So far Devi has largely conformed with the crowd in voting. And to be fair a lot of people are bandwagoning

if one had problems with it they can merely pm him about it so not all responsibility is on him.

It also applies to him being an Avenger too dude.

Remember guys. STOP POSTING.


Final Results:

Apex - Zero, Nish, Youwishjellyfish, Devour, Exile, Mantha, devi (x2)



Against his pleas, Apex AKA Dr. Strange, the true blue Avenger was knocked out by Capt. America's shield, and tied up in the nearby janitor's closet. What, you were expecting something epic?

Night 4

- DO NOT POST DURING THE NIGHT. DO NOT PM ANYONE AS WELL.

- PM me your actions as listed in your ability. Refer to frontpage for info on your ability.

- Please put the action IN YOU PM TITLES to avoid confusion on my part. If you wish to ask something to me too, put a "Read Inside" on the title.
- Even if you are not making an Action or if you don't have a target, please put it in your PM title as well so I'll know you chose to do nothing.

- Deadline for Night 4 is Dec 14, 2015

- For the Skrulls, all 3 of you do not need to PM me the same thing. Have a representative state who will do the Killing Action and who will do something else. Remember that the Killer cannot use his Role Ability as well.



Good Luck!

Unlocked at Hew's request. I'm just posting so Hewwy doesn't have to double post. It's still night time :)

Sorry about the delay, had a family medical emergency.






The body of Quicksilver AKA Mantha, the true blue Avenger was found ripped apart by black hole particles in one of Tony's labs. Body parts were strewn everywhere and blood painted the room like a Picasso fingerpainting. A shady suicide note was taped to where the button was that started the mishap. Apparently, Quicksilver was the only one fast enough to do this; killing himself via suicide over the death of her sister.


There are 7 of you left. It takes 4 to lynch.

Also, it is LYLO. Lynch or Lose. If you lynch the wrong guy today, the Skrulls win!


Mechanics:
- Day lasts until Dec. 18, 2015 or 12 hours after the very last post of anything after the hammering vote (the deciding vote of a lynchee)

- Failure to lynch anybody today results in a RANDOM LYNCH. Even Capt. America is not safe from this.

- You may lynch someone by posting #vote IN BOLD. If you don't bold I won't count it.

- If the final required vote is made, the countdown will start and the Day could end prematurely. Watch out!

- You may retract your answer by posting #unvote in BOLD. If you don't bold I won't count it.

- It is possible to lynch no one. Post #NoLynch in BOLD. Decision must be majority though.

- I will update the thread from time to time and post links from the frontpage for archiving purposes.



Begin! And Good Luck.

Aww, Mantha :( One of the few who I seriously thought was an Avenger.

I've been thinking for the entirety of the night. I think I have finally gathered solid reasoning on who the Skrull are. It's absolutely necessary that we vote carefully this time around, because like Hewitt said if we vote wrongly one more time, it's all over.

Let me repeat what I said yesterday. In this Mafia game and most others like it, the active players are almost always Townies. They're the ones who want to post a lot and actively try to find the Skrull. On the other hand, the Skrull are the ones who have everything to gain by posting nothing and being quietly forgotten. If no one thinks about them, others who are soaking up attention will be scrutinized, their actions will be misread, and then they'll be lynched. It's happened every single time in recent Mafia history.
I'm going to describe exactly who I think two of the Skrull are, and how I know it.

The first Skrull that I'm going to accuse is Devi.

Quote from devi

I can't argue with the uselessness of my role. I can however tell you that I was the one investigated by Coulson, he checked me out and said he knew I was an avenger. Proof being here

Devi has posted maybe once every two days. But why? He's a confirmed Town member, isn't he? He could have used this to essentially become a second Exilement. Instead, he has continued to let himself slip beneath the radar, openly wanting others to tell him what to do and who to vote for. Quietly using his double veto power to lynch Avenger after Avenger.

I think Error was lying, and he knows it. Error was Loki, and I don't think Loki would risk dying by actually using his Coulson ability when he could just lie. I think Loki would actually benefit from telling the town that a Skrull is a confirmed innocent. Meanwhile, Devi has everything to gain by being unnoticed because it allows him to make kill moves without being tracked by Mantha or stunned by Jellyfish. It also follows the tried and true strategy of just... doing nothing. It works almost every time.

This brings me to my second point. As you guys might have noticed, the Skrull have not failed a single kill move all game long. This is why I think Envoy is the second Skrull, using his invisible woman's shield to protect the kill actions of Devi and guaranteeing their success. He has also been extremely inactive, but not quite as much as Devi has been.

I also have a very solid hunch who the 3rd Skrull might be, as well as my reasoning for it, but I'm not going to bring that up until later. Exilement knows who I think that is.

Figures. Go get 'em.

Fucking Apex. How... why... what... huh? I've completely lost interest in this game. I propose going for devi also because he's been giving us the slip for a while. His name is brought up and then taken down. Thats pretty much all I can be arsed to think of anymore.

#vote devi

Quote from En

This only leaves Thor. At any time did he shock Devi? If yes and there was a kill that night, then there is reason to believe that I am Skrull. Also did he ever shock Mantha or Error? Though I doubt it because this would be a Skrull move.

I still don't feel comfortable revealing who I bolted publicly, I'll leave that up to Exile, but I do feel comfortable saying I never bolted Devi, Mantha, or Error. On top of that no one I have bolted has died from a night action.


At this point I don't trust anyone here but Exile, but I'm not suspicious enough of a single person to justify voting when the stakes are this high and we have as little evidence as we do. But this is where I stand on everyone.

Nish - Nish is a smart guy, and excels at these forum games, so no matter how well he played I don't think I would ever fully trust him lol. But during Day 1 and 2 he was playing very neutral, everything he did was backed with the fact that he would follow Exile no matter what, which is a very pro-town move. D3 he stepped up his game and started calling out people and getting his hands dirty looking for Skrull. D4 was more of the same, but he stepped up his game yet again, I won't say he strong armed the town because he didn't but it was the first time I'd say he was being aggressive in his Skrull hunt, he also backed of Mantha from his "if Raptor is Town you have to tell us everything" to more of a "yeah I can understand her reasoning, she must be good", I was in the same boat as him, so this could be nothing or it could be that he knew she was going to be the N4 target so moved onto killing Apex the doctor or Devour someone he couldn't kill at night. I want to be clear that I think this is a long shot. But I also can't shake the feeling that he's smart enough to pull it off.

Devour - Lami seemed like a eager noob with good intentions, I don't think he really helped, but it seemed like he was trying before he jumped off the face of the planet. But there is the issue of his PM, I just don't see why he would do it lol. That said it doesn't even make sense, like I said in D4 it doesn't make sense that the Skrull targeted Xate (we would have seen an extra body after N2) so why would the have someone like Lami PM someone like Nish, suggest going on Xate and then volunteering to be a meat shield when the Skrull didn't even target the Hulk? Either way you go it doesn't make sense lol. As for Devour the only issues I've had with his game would be his plan for Apex to announce a "second Exile" but seeing as Apex wasn't Skrull this seems more like trying to help the town rather than manipulate them, there is also the issue of him saying he wanted people to trust him enough to be the "second Exile" if Exile died. That said Nish kinda said the same thing, and I somehow did it in the Arkham game so who am I to talk.

Zero - I know Devour said Skrull always hide in inactivity, but if someone knew that wouldn't they aim to do the opposite and hide in a high post count while not contributing much. I haven't gone through his past posts in detail but Zero hasn't seemed to do much to actually look for Skrull players, most of his activity is talking about ideas and strategies, back on D3 when I gave my activity tally he replied by saying that none of them struck him as particularly suspicious, and he's kept this level of neutrality through the whole game until it came to voting, where he's largely gone with the flow. I've said a tonne about his little missteps in previous Days and he's defended himself well, but I can't shake this feeling. One of the biggest things I couldn't account for is why he didn't vote for Squidd but did vote for Lami, I'm starting to think that maybe he knew Squidd was attacked N1 and would probably die N2 so instead of wasting a lynch on him he took the opportunity to vote for Lami who would be hard to night kill. Again, this is a long shot. Exile should know if his gifts went to people, if he didn't hand them out for whatever reason then I really think we should look into Zero.

Envoy - Envoy hasn't been inactive but hasn't been active either, much like Zero he hasn't gotten his hands dirty looking for Skrull but has been contributing to ideas and strategies, I think this is his first mafia game so it might just be that he doesn't know how to point fingers at people. That said I actually can't really remember much about his play style, I don't remember thinking any of his posts have been out of place, but I can't remember them being pro-town like Nish's either. Well, I know who's post I'm going back through now.

Devi - Devi was contributing D1, fell off the face of the Earth D2, only really popped his head out D3 when he got called out for something, that PM doesn't make me want to lynch him, but I also think it doesn't confirm him seeing as Loki was Coulson, D4 he only posted three times (but so did I, it was a short Day lol) 2 post to defend himself and 1 to vote for Apex, so despite his inactivity he's been there for every lynch (then again, so have I lol). I just can't work out why someone who was kinda confirmed townie would play so defensively, they should be one of the most active players trying to set traps and pointing fingers at people because they can do that without other players thinking they're a Skrull who's just leading a blind town. I don't feel comfortable voting on this, but it's just not behavior I'd expect from a townie.

It would be convenient if I was a skrull, I won't lie.

Except I'm not a skrull.

Quote from Devour

I think Error was lying, and he knows it. Error was Loki, and I don't think Loki would risk dying by actually using his Coulson ability when he could just lie. I think Loki would actually benefit from telling the town that a Skrull is a confirmed innocent. Meanwhile, Devi has everything to gain by being unnoticed because it allows him to make kill moves without being tracked by Mantha or stunned by Jellyfish. It also follows the tried and true strategy of just... doing nothing. It works almost every time.

This brings me to my second point. As you guys might have noticed, the Skrull have not failed a single kill move all game long. This is why I think Envoy is the second Skrull, using his invisible woman's shield to protect the kill actions of Devi and guaranteeing their success. He has also been extremely inactive, but not quite as much as Devi has been.

So automatically inactivity means I'm going around murdering people? Yeah sure, we'll go with that. With that logic we can move to anyone else who's been inactive, but lets take a notice shall we? Every. Single. Person. Who has been inactive and lynched for it (Among other reasons) has been an avenger. Doesn't that really say something about the people accusing them?

But now, lets move away from psychological, and lets look at physical evidence. When we had the conversation on Skype, back when we still did it without realizing that it probably wasn't very good, Mantha had raised the point of it being Raptor. Since at the time, Mantha was raising valid points about lynching Raptor instead of killing off Apex, and I believed her. When Raptor died and showed he was an avenger, I got suspicious that Mrs. Man-hour was manipulating us into killing avengers, since I thought she wanted to move it from Apex who was possibly a skrull to a avenger. This of course was proved wrong when she and Apex was shown to be avengers, but to get to my point. All the people in that chat has been killed, Boomerang, Apex and Mantha. Except two people, me and devour.

Now this is probably painting a target on both of us, I'd rather have that. I have no physical evidence that I'm an avenger, and I will admit I have been bandwagoning. But so has devour. and now when he has one final target that knew of the plans in that chat, he needs to tie up those lose ends and get rid of me. No one would have batted an eye at it because of my inactivity and we will have lost another avenger, making us lose the game. I say that devour is a skrull.

But sure, kill me, and we'll lose the game to the skrull, not my problem.

Quote from Youwishjellyfish

Devi - Devi was contributing D1, fell off the face of the Earth D2, only really popped his head out D3 when he got called out for something, that PM doesn't make me want to lynch him, but I also think it doesn't confirm him seeing as Loki was Coulson, D4 he only posted three times (but so did I, it was a short Day lol) 2 post to defend himself and 1 to vote for Apex, so despite his inactivity he's been there for every lynch (then again, so have I lol). I just can't work out why someone who was kinda confirmed townie would play so defensively, they should be one of the most active players trying to set traps and pointing fingers at people because they can do that without other players thinking they're a Skrull who's just leading a blind town. I don't feel comfortable voting on this, but it's just not behavior I'd expect from a townie.

I wasn't posting during the Raptor lynching because we were discussing on Skype. At the time I thought I'd just be repeating what everyone else would be saying, so I thought I'd avoid it. I did the same with Apex, as we had already discussed why we should kill him.

On the topic of being defensive, sure I'm defensive, I have to be. I have a cryo pod standing right by me staring hungrily at my silence.

Quote from Youwishjellyfish

Nish - Nish is a smart guy, and excels at these forum games, so no matter how well he played I don't think I would ever fully trust him lol. But during Day 1 and 2 he was playing very neutral, everything he did was backed with the fact that he would follow Exile no matter what, which is a very pro-town move. D3 he stepped up his game and started calling out people and getting his hands dirty looking for Skrull. D4 was more of the same, but he stepped up his game yet again, I won't say he strong armed the town because he didn't but it was the first time I'd say he was being aggressive in his Skrull hunt, he also backed of Mantha from his "if Raptor is Town you have to tell us everything" to more of a "yeah I can understand her reasoning, she must be good", I was in the same boat as him, so this could be nothing or it could be that he knew she was going to be the N4 target so moved onto killing Apex the doctor or Devour someone he couldn't kill at night. I want to be clear that I think this is a long shot. But I also can't shake the feeling that he's smart enough to pull it off.

This is one of the things I feel like we should talk about. Every step, Nish has followed the bandwagon that led to the death of an avenger. He didn't even really try to argue against it, saying that he'll investigate if its wrong but doesn't really live up to it. Honestly, I don't have any physical evidence of Nish playing as a Skrull and trying to kill us off, but he's smart enough to play a game where people believe him to be a avenger.

Dev, Jelly and Envoy?

or Devi, Jelly and Devour?

The game is lost, but I'll be very happy if I at least knew I called it right. Of course, if its Devi, Devour and Envoy, I'd be devastated.

Edit: Sorry, I'm stoned and I missed Zero. Goddamit.


Devi, I'm pretty sure you're mafia now seeing how you seized a tiny opportunity to try to paint me in a different light. I'm only suspecting Jelly now because I'm assuming the plan right now is for him to put the seeds of doubt in people's mind and you to expound on it, since you're in danger of being lynched for not contributing.

" Every step, Nish has followed the bandwagon that led to the death of an avenger."

Show me which these steps are, show me how I didn't try to analyze and deduce stuff constantly. Show me where I didn't constantly remind Exile that I would change any decision based on Exile's instructions. Also, if I followed the bandwagon, what the hell were you doing? Were you speaking out and propounding independant thoughts? No. The only bandwagons we've had so far are ONE unfortunate case of Raptor, and ONE unfortunate case of Apex (who is the Man of the Match for this game for winning the game for the Skrulls). I wasn't the only one who followed them.

Also, I defended Mantha because I knew what was proven right, she was probably an Avenger because of her gameplay. Absolutely everyone agreed with me so to single me out by saying "He defended Mantha cause he knew the mafia would kill her anyway" is ludicrous, because it can apply to ANYONE. Thats why Jelly is on my suspects list now too.

But devi definitely needs to go first.

I don't care. Upto Exile, upto you guys. I've lost interest.