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Are Extreme Sports the same as Sports?

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Mar 5, 2016 12:23 AM #1440804
I thought this was obvious at first but then I asked a bunch of people and they disagreed with my opinion! So, it's simple, do you think extreme sports such as ice climbing, snowboarding and many others count as sports?
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Mar 5, 2016 12:28 AM #1440807
What exactly is the counter argument? Why wouldn't they be considered sports?
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Mar 5, 2016 12:30 AM #1440808
Yes. A sport is an activity where there is a specific set of rules and people compete against each other to see who's the best, but can also be for recreation by yourself. Which is why chess is considered a sport despite not having a lot of physical activity. Even video games can be recognized as sports, by some people. Anyways, extreme sports fit in the category of sports. They're just somewhat different.
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Mar 5, 2016 12:59 AM #1440811
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Yes. A sport is an activity where there is a specific set of rules and people compete against each other to see who's the best, but can also be for recreation by yourself. Which is why chess is considered a sport despite not having a lot of physical activity. Even video games can be recognized as sports, by some people. Anyways, extreme sports fit in the category of sports. They're just somewhat different.


I suggest not to bring the videogames up, since there is also the opinion (that I strongly support) that playing videogames is not a sport: while it's true it could be considered as such for the skills, being in front of a computer isn't the best for mental and physical growth, without even considering the whole debate about the RNG factor

Back on the topic, I really can't see how there can be a debate
when those people disagreed with you, Riott, did they also tell you the reasons behind their answer?
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Mar 5, 2016 1:45 AM #1440819
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without even considering the whole debate about the RNG factor

Not to bring this too off-topic, but randomness affects everything, including main physical sports. There isn't a single sport exempt from randomness, and some sports have it far worse than quite a few of the RNG mechanics in many "esports" considered games.

To connect this back to the central topic, "randomness" shouldn't be the qualifier for a sport. It can determine whether the sport can be more competitive or not, but it doesn't substantially change the definition.
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Mar 5, 2016 10:19 AM #1440855
If there's competition it should be classified as sport. I'm not sure if ice climbing would fall into this category. Is there competition involved in ice climbing or do people just do it for the thrill? But really any physical or skill-based activity with a solid set of rules and people competing against one another could be considered sport.

It would seem that the term "extreme sport" is a misnomer considering many things considered extreme sports have no element of competition in them (skydiving for example). But there are many, like snowboarding as you mentioned, that are done competitively (There's also debate over what classifies something as an extreme sport). Therefore, it is invalid to put all extreme sports under the blanket term of "sports" but it is also incorrect to completely exclude them.
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Mar 5, 2016 9:31 PM #1440903
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It would seem that the term "extreme sport" is a misnomer considering many things considered extreme sports have no element of competition in them (skydiving for example). But there are many, like snowboarding as you mentioned, that are done competitively (There's also debate over what classifies something as an extreme sport). Therefore, it is invalid to put all extreme sports under the blanket term of "sports" but it is also incorrect to completely exclude them.

I see, that makes sense. I'd like to see a comprehensive list of what is and isn't officially considered an extreme sport. I'll probably google it later.
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Mar 6, 2016 4:43 PM #1441015
I think the definition of a sport would be any form of organized, competitive physical or mentally challenging activity with a regulatory body and a universally accepted set of rules? While its true that Sky diving by itself may not be a sport, there is competitive sky diving that is judged on certain criteria, so that part of it should be (and is) considered a sport.

Thats why Parkour has fought against being labelled a sport. Large parts of the Parkour community have been against the idea of it being a sport, because it is based on personal physical discipline rather than competition. However, if it became an organized system of practitioners competing against each other with a set of rules and an enforcing body, then it would automatically become a sport, much like competitive skateboarding and MotoGP.
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Mar 6, 2016 10:24 PM #1441038
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I think the definition of a sport would be any form of organized, competitive physical or mentally challenging activity with a regulatory body and a universally accepted set of rules? While its true that Sky diving by itself may not be a sport, there is competitive sky diving that is judged on certain criteria, so that part of it should be (and is) considered a sport.

Thats why Parkour has fought against being labelled a sport. Large parts of the Parkour community have been against the idea of it being a sport, because it is based on personal physical discipline rather than competition. However, if it became an organized system of practitioners competing against each other with a set of rules and an enforcing body, then it would automatically become a sport, much like competitive skateboarding and MotoGP.

I didn't realize that skydiving had a competitive scene, and that's a great point about Parkour. So much stuff I don't know, but I largely agree with this point.
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Mar 7, 2016 5:32 AM #1441070
Yeah, competitive skydiving has a small niche audience but it still attracts a following due to the sheer uniqueness of it. I met a guy recently who claimed to have been at one of the major tournaments in Dubai, but I haven't investigated it further. But I have seen elements of previous competitions on ESPN, they judge you on distance covered, accuracy of landing spot, aerial maneuvers etc depending on what form of competition it is.
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Mar 16, 2016 5:11 AM #1442195
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Not as physically challenging as other sports, but still a sport.
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Mar 17, 2016 2:37 AM #1442319
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I think the definition of a sport would be any form of organized, competitive physical or mentally challenging activity with a regulatory body and a universally accepted set of rules?


So by your definition, Bartending is a sport and the Barista Championships every year justify that. Correct?
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Mar 17, 2016 3:09 AM #1442322
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So by your definition, Bartending is a sport and the Barista Championships every year justify that. Correct?

Does bartending have organization, and a specific set of rules and sportsmanship? If so, by Nish's definition, yes.
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Mar 17, 2016 6:33 PM #1442407
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So by your definition, Bartending is a sport and the Barista Championships every year justify that. Correct?


Competitive Bartending is. Just because something is stupid, it doesn't disquality it from being a sport, not that bartending is stupid. If it requires physical or mental competition, and has a competitive match that pits one side versus another (or several others), and has some kind of governing body with rules and standards, then yeah its a sport. Would it be a sport I like? Probably not. But by definition, it is a sport. It may seem silly, but MANY of the games/competitions that we accept as a legitimate sports now once had some crude form from which they evolved.

Edit: The interesting point of debate here will be where exactly something spills from being a 'game' or a 'competition' into a sport. That'll be fascinating to hear people's views on. It'll be down to personal preferences where one may qualify bartending as a competition, and another person as a sport.
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Mar 18, 2016 10:28 PM #1442557
Person McPerson stated matter-of-factly early on that chess was a sport. That's not exactly uncontested.

In the UK it was recently ruled by the High Court that bridge is not a sport. (It came up because some kinds of funding are reserved for sports.) They decided that being mentally challenging is not sufficient; there needs to be a physical element relevant to the outcome. So even though there's a physical element to chess - moving the pieces - your performance in this regard is not relevant to the outcome of the match, and if you were instructing someone else to make those moves on your behalf it would still be you that was playing. In contrast, the physical element of e.g. rifle shooting - positioning the rifle in the right place - is relevant to the outcome and couldn't be done by someone else on your behalf without changing who was actually taking part.

At the same time, of course, the Olympic Committee has invited the governing bodies of chess and bridge to apply to be included in future Olympics. Although "invited to apply" isn't quite the same as "declared a sport".

At the end of the day, what matters is what you want to do with your definition of "sport". If, as (presumably) in the case of allocating UK government funds, your goal is to give money to organisations which promote physical fitness, tackle obesity, and so on, then you'll want the physical aspect to be important. If you want to set up a big international competition showcasing global talent, as (presumably) in the case of the Olympics, then the physical aspect is going to be much less important.

In either case, Bartending is definitely a sport and I don't know who would ever want to question that.
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