I really wish both stories weren't about fights

Quote from Hewitt

I really wish both stories weren't about fights

Isn't that the whole point of wRHG? I mean i guess it's technically a writing competition just like RHG is an animation competition, but the point is to throw in your character against someone else's character. That's why most characters are wacky and combat oriented I would assume.

The point of RHGs is to be able to animate. It is to find a way to animate sticks in a way that it wouldn't be boring so that your average kid animator would be motivated enough to finish his work and develop an ethic and techniques. In animation, the story (if any) is often downplayed at the expense of a good fight because it makes sense that flash beats substance in terms of visuals. In fact, you can say that the only way to show a good fight is if it was animated well.

But stories don't work like that.

Stories are good because they can go in any direction. You don't need to write a fight to write conflict. A fight isn't the only way to push things along. A fight doesn't have to be in a checklist for a story to happen. I'm not against fights in the wRHG in general, but the culture right now appears to be including it to the point of contrivance. The fight doesn't happen organically; the fight happens first and the plot rearranges itself to shift to that perspective. And sometimes, the fight outright happens because it has to. It's amazing that the majority of people here can put so much effort into the intricacies of a battle, but do not apply the same effort to everything before and after it.

It's like sex to you people.

The "point" of wRHGs is to be able to write. Battles make for good motivations because you're working on character, setting, and plot. But when you are at the mercy of the contrivance of battle, you can't really write about anything.

My previous post is expressing this lament; that both pieces could have been something greater. But knowing they will just devolve to fights makes reading them not worth bothering. I might sound like an ass, posting this in the wRHG battle section; the section it was "made for" but I wish other people can see that if this is all writing is ever going to be around here, then it cannot be anything greater.

Take for example that movie Batman vs Superman. Say what you will about how stupid the movie is, don't tell me you weren't hyped by everything that was happening leading up to the battle itself. In an hour, we learned about Bruce and his life. And note that this was an entirely new Bruce/Batman so the movie had to exposit everything without infodumping it. We learn about Clark and his struggles to get people to notice Gotham's troubles. The building up of clashing ideologies makes the fight later on all the more worth it because you can stand behind either one and take a stance in the issue.

Your story is about 2 characters who walk in on each other, talk, then have a go at each other.

Case in point.

Quote from Cruel

Isn't that the whole point of wRHG? I mean i guess it's technically a writing competition just like RHG is an animation competition, but the point is to throw in your character against someone else's character. That's why most characters are wacky and combat oriented I would assume.

Welp, somebody had to pull his trap card. *salute*

Quote from Hewitt

The point of RHGs is to be able to animate.....

This thread is not for you to tell us what you think, it is for Cruel and Devi to get CNC for their wRHG Battle. If you have a problem message the Staff.
It would be different if your little rant was CNC but it is not so it would be great if you take your opinions to a thread that can make use of them.

If someone cared for your opinion they would have asked; You are literally just being an ass because you can, and it is disgusting.

Your time here was wasted.

Quote from hamnet

This thread is not for you to tell us what you think, it is for Cruel and Devi to get CNC for their wRHG Battle. If you have a problem message the Staff.
It would be different if your little rant was CNC but it is not so it would be great if you take your opinions to a thread that can make use of them.

If someone cared for your opinion they would have asked; You are literally just being an ass because you can, and it is disgusting.

Your time here was wasted.

But my rant was CNC. Cruel's story is hardly a story. My point was that the battle has no emotional appeal if what led to it was barely anything. Did you just skip the tl;dr and decided to quote this tiny thing here?

And cared about my opinion? It's not like I decided to rant out of the blue. Cruel started a dialogue about the "point" of wrhgs. I saw that as an opening to discuss what I felt about the matter. Now he can choose to ignore that or he can choose to reply. And it's not like I was insulting him either. If anything, you're the one who should be minding his own business. What are you doing for this thread? The votes up in the air, the comments from other posters separate from this, the fight's pretty much decided, and I'm not bothering anyone else. What do you want? What, suddenly battle threads aren't allowed to have discussions now?

Your rant wasn't CNC because it doesn't benefit Cruel or Devi in anyway besides giving them your opinion about what a wRHG battle should be, when it can be whatever a great mind thinks it to be. Yes, you can discuss anywhere you want to, but you were not replying to Cruel as if to discuss, but more of to tell him he is wrong for his beliefs of what a wRHG is. That is not how you discuss. The post was fairly closed minded and it hit a nerve.

Discussion example:
"Isn't that the whole point of wRHG? I mean i guess it's technically a writing competition just like RHG is an animation competition, but the point is to throw in your character against someone else's character. That's why most characters are wacky and combat oriented I would assume."

"I see what you mean, but this is what I think..."

you came off more as, "Your point is irrelevant, I know fact as to what a wRHG is. A wRHG is..."
when there is no set of rules for how to write a story other than to use words and pictures to protray emotions.

Quote from hamnet

Your rant wasn't CNC because it doesn't benefit Cruel or Devi in anyway besides giving them your opinion about what a wRHG battle should be, when it can be whatever a great mind thinks it to be. Yes, you can discuss anywhere you want to, but you were not replying to Cruel as if to discuss, but more of to tell him he is wrong for his beliefs of what a wRHG is. That is not how you discuss. The post was fairly closed minded and it hit a nerve.

Discussion example:
"Isn't that the whole point of wRHG? I mean i guess it's technically a writing competition just like RHG is an animation competition, but the point is to throw in your character against someone else's character. That's why most characters are wacky and combat oriented I would assume."

"I see what you mean, but this is what I think..."

you came off more as, "Your point is irrelevant, I know fact as to what a wRHG is. A wRHG is..."
when there is no set of rules for how to write a story other than to use words and pictures to protray emotions.

Eh, I agree with him.
And wouldn't posting for this off topic post to reprimand a off-topic post still be off-topic?
If you want beef with him, do it in a pm.

I'll edit this if I can with CNC. Both were interesting, don't think I will vote.

Well okay, I am sorry about the way I worded things. But it still doesn't diminish the meaning behind my words. I still feel that Cruel lazed around his before and after just to launch a middle with no emotional impact.

While I do not agree with hamnet playing as the Discussion Police, I would rather not spend 10 posts meta-discussing about what should be just an open forum on the "point" of wrhgs.

Quote from hamnet

This thread is not for you to tell us what you think, it is for Cruel and Devi to get CNC for their wRHG Battle. If you have a problem message the Staff.
It would be different if your little rant was CNC but it is not so it would be great if you take your opinions to a thread that can make use of them.

If someone cared for your opinion they would have asked; You are literally just being an ass because you can, and it is disgusting.

Your time here was wasted.

Chill dude, it was a comment on the entire structure and culture of how wRHG has less substance than it could considering how powerful writing is. Hew's point is more down the lines of "I know you guys can do better than this" even though it SOUNDS like "you guys fuckin suck at writing." I get his point. When you write, you get the opportunity to play God unlike many other forms of media. You don't have to be an amazing writer to tell a good story if you have good substance. Unlike in animation, it can look amazing in your head, but if you physically can not make that visually appealing, it was pointless. Hew's point I think is that writing is easy to start, and difficult to master, and you don't have to be a master to make a good story outside of "They met, talked, and fought."

Hew I appreciate the opinion and the input, but the main issue is that because of life, it's difficult to come up with an intricate plot, delve into each created characters backstory (especially when there's so many cliche backstories, I plan on re writing mine myself.), and then have there be conflict, a peak, and resolution, AND keep it short enough to hold the attention span of those who read it. Unfortunately, not only are the writing threads a more tight knit community than the other threads, but even the people that frequent it don't always have time to read the entire story, read another persons story with the same characters, and drop a vote.

Although I get your frustration, like I said, writing is easy, writing well isn't. Most people here are under the age of 25, and expecting batman v superman level of content that has years and years of comic book writing and professionals behind it s a HUGE comparison to make. However, I do appreciate how you think that the community can do better than where it is at now.

Bro, seriously though, you have to word things better. Seeing as how I'm blunt myself, I completely understand you have good intentions when you make posts like that. You come off as condescending when you say things like "case in point" though. Personally, I enjoy it however, so if you don't care, you do you man.

EDIT: Didn't realize you guys resolved it, but I'll leave this here so you know what I thought. Because I'm special and deserve attention.