No discard.

There are 'FLAW' and negative powers that players could have nominated that the player with wouldn't actually want.

I too would like to know what advantage there is to not spending energy, and what happens if said hero can't spend the minimum requirement (which appears to be 80 for round 1).

Also, some of you were super greedy omg.

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Also congrats to Tec on having both the lowest amount of energy here and the most

Didn't expect people to bid so lowly on the 2 sidekicks....

Someone want to explain geminisuit in really simple terms for me? If the cloned sidekick gets the gemini suit ability, how much energy would they both have?

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Also some power questions

If I call myself Skele1 and clone myself with Gemini suit and call that Skele2 is there anything stopping me from using Skele2's mimic to mimic Gemini Suit off Skele1 to create a clone of Skele2 called Skele3 ad infinitum energy willing?
Similarly could Tecness have his clone have Mimic to create a Gemini clone of his clone ad infinitum energy willing?
Plus don't we need to know each power's power strength for gameplay like Mimic?
If someone Mimic'd Plauge would they discard the 5 energy loss debuff from the power at the end of the round?
If someone Mimic'd Cloned Sidekick or Sidekick would that even work and would it persit after the round and if it stopped persisting at the end of the round would that count as a player leaving the game for Souleater?
If WyzDM attacks Person McPerson does he take 3 points of damage or 2 with regard to which power over rules the other?
Similarly does Blur or Poisonous Membranes override the other?
With regards to Blur does 'your attack' mean your attack specifically against the player attacking you or your total energy assigned to attack that turn?

In order:

- Nothing is stopping you except the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Mimic and Gemini cost energy. So you can keep cloning yourself till the sun goes down, but with each version, your fellow brothers will be significantly weaker. Not to mention, you still have to allocate for defense and offense. If everyone gangs up on you, it's over.

- Yes. Same laws apply.

- All allocations and power spends are done in PM. In resolution, I will reveal them all at the same time.

- Yes, thats what the power says. The Plague effect takes place as the round is ending so it happens first before disappearing.

- In the sense of Mimic, it overwrites Sidekick's "ability", ergo it will not have 50 power and it will not count as an extra hero. When it leaves for that round, it does not count towards Soul Eater.

- If Wyz attacks McPerson, he will only take 1 damage. But his life will end at HP 1 instead of HP 0.

- Blur and P Membranes do not rely on the same trigger. Blur checks if the attack happens, P Membranes checks for damage after the attack happens. If damage is negated by Blur, it doesn't change the fact that the target was still "attacked" for 0 damage. Hence, the membranes would still trigger.

- Yes.

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Why is discarding powers even an option, we bid those powers for a reason, we didn't bid them to discard them later.

Sometimes a combination of abilities proves detrimental if acquired all at once. It's happened before. There are sometimes also bid-related powers that are nominated. But in this game there doesn't seem to be one.

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Didn't expect people to bid so lowly on the 2 sidekicks....

Someone want to explain geminisuit in really simple terms for me? If the cloned sidekick gets the gemini suit ability, how much energy would they both have?

Cloned Sidekick created - 50 Energy. You can spend up to 50 for the Gemini Suit it has. Let's say you decided to spend 30. (and use the 20 at the time to attack/defend)

Gemini Suit activated. Gemini Suit energy is decided by 2 factors:
a) The power you spend: 30
b) A division of the original owner's energy that will affect them permanently. SO. Let's say you decide to give a fraction of your current energy (50) with say 35 Energy.

a + b = 30 + 35 = 65 Energy for the Gemini Suit
But your own energy will be 50 - b = 15

So, in summary. Unless you're good at math or there are a few of you left, it's not really advisable to keep making clones. As they all cost energy and people will be pounding on you. If you let them.



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Okay okay, people seem to be confused about the Cosmic Particles ability and its apparent failtrain. So. I would like to, with permission from Nyarly mainly, and at least 2 other players to consider if I edited this ability to be:

Cosmic Particles - All players will have +10 more Energy to spend per Player alive in the game.

Simple. This just means that at the start of the game, everyone has a +60 Power buff to allocate as they please. But when one of them dies, it becomes +50 rinse and repeat. And if Nyarly dies, this power goes away altogether and no one has anymore buffs. How's that?

If this proposal is rejected then we will continue play as normal soon.

That, while it makes sense, is a positive buff to anyone instead of a negative consequence the original wording seemed to derive from. I will vote on rejecting it as it doesn't even appear to reflect its former self.

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Didn't expect people to bid so lowly on the 2 sidekicks....

Yeah even considering you're only at 26 hp, you got 2 other heroes. It's an interesting plan.

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Cloned Sidekick created - 50 Energy. You can spend up to 50 for the Gemini Suit it has. Let's say you decided to spend 30. (and use the 20 at the time to attack/defend)

Gemini Suit activated. Gemini Suit energy is decided by 2 factors:
a) The power you spend: 30
b) A division of the original owner's energy that will affect them permanently. SO. Let's say you decide to give a fraction of your current energy (50) with say 35 Energy.

a + b = 30 + 35 = 65 Energy for the Gemini Suit
But your own energy will be 50 - b = 15

So, in summary. Unless you're good at math or there are a few of you left, it's not really advisable to keep making clones. As they all cost energy and people will be pounding on you. If you let them.

I'm not sure you're understanding the power strength assigned to each power correctly.

Looking at all the chosen Powers, each Hero may bid an amount of Energy (from their initial 100) for each. These bids are made in secret, then revealed simultaneously - the highest bidder for each Power gets that Power and loses Energy equal to their bid for it (losing bidders get to keep their Energy). The highest bid for a Power is known as that Power's Power Strength, and is a general measure of its potency.

This makes me think Power Strength is a fixed and static (and public) value assigned to each power after bidding happens for the duration of the game

With regards to

Create a duplicate of any Hero you control, with the same Powers, except Gemini Suit. Divide the duplicated Hero's Starting Energy between the original and the duplicate Hero, and add Energy equal to Gemini Suit's Power Strength to each.

The added energy disregarding split energy pool would then be this fixed amount based on what I bid for the power and would not change.
Hence I would have thought it would be determined like this:
A: The power bid on it to determine the power strenght
B: Your energy division

Say I decided to split my hp in half from 55 to 28 and 27 and the power was bid for 5 and got for 5.
My energy afterwards = (My energy before - 27) + 5
Clone energy = 28 + 5

And were this to be done with Mimic it would require a spend of 5 as

Spend X: You may use any single Power in play whose Power Strength is X, this round.

Oh right sorry, I didnt see the part about the Power Strength. So...if we're being technical here, Tecness can't really use a Cloned Sidekick with a Gemini Suit because the Gemini Suit would cost nothing because the clone didn't bid for shit

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Oh right sorry, I didnt see the part about the Power Strength. So...if we're being technical here, Tecness can't really use a Cloned Sidekick with a Gemini Suit because the Gemini Suit would cost nothing because the clone didn't bid for shit

Ah yeah. But were he to use a cloned sidekick with Mimic it could use my Gemini suit that did get bid for right? Of course added mimic cost would make that less effective.

No. That Power Strength is the Mimic's Power Strength. It doesn't mimic an appropriate cost for the Gemini Suit

Okay then.
I'd like to propose that if I or anyone else manages to create additional clones of themself in subsequent rounds that the clones are unable to do anything on the round they are created in. This is because no one would know they exist till the resolution phase by which point no one would be able to target them which I don't think would feel very fair.

Edit: Also divide my starting energy 35 left on me and 20 given to the clone.

Cloned sidekick can get anything listed as a power from the current game, except cloned sidekick.
The power I choose for Cloned sidekick, is sidekick.

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Cloned sidekick can get anything listed as a power from the current game, except cloned sidekick.
The power I choose for Cloned sidekick, is sidekick.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SNAP

That's actually pretty good and I ain't even mad lmao.

This might put a target on my back but I have to bring it up. Sevarus has Souleater and while it doesn't work for clones, if anyone else dies before him he'll be back at 100 and will literally be able to tank all of us. And if he continues to live with plaque we're all gonna get contaminated.

But before I start the almighty witch hunt, I would like to invite Servarus to the floor and ask why anyone should not attack you round 1 despite the clear starting advantage you hold.

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That's actually pretty good and I ain't even mad lmao.

This might put a target on my back but I have to bring it up. Sevarus has Souleater and while it doesn't work for clones, if anyone else dies before him he'll be back at 100 and will literally be able to tank all of us. And if he continues to live with plaque we're all gonna get contaminated.



But before I start the almighty witch hunt, I would like to invite Servarus to the floor and ask why anyone should not attack you round 1 despite the clear starting advantage you hold.

Haha hey Whyz I will come to the floor

I hope I'm not a target either whyz. I don't know what you mean I'm afraid. Nothing stops people from attacking me.

I guess I have plague but tactically speaking I'm the same target as everyone else is.