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Oct 27, 2017 3:18 PM #1485113
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Maybe its just my Scandinavian blood talking to me, but my blood boils when I read this. Want to know why? Because your using a creature rarely used, the Draugr, and wasting the concept by not using it. You have a powerful creature, a Draugr, with the specific concept that they are evil unstoppable creatures of great power, and you literally just made a shitty undead vampire. So I have to ask, why use it? Why use a Draugr when you clearly didn't try to achieve what it mean to be one? You were clearly just trying to go for a more revenant character, a person who was raised from the dead for some purpose, rather than a person raised from their own evil intent. You even have the gall to reference the other powers but then say he's a "better version". What? Why even? Considering some of the powers that Draugr have, this guy is most definitely not a better version

But you want to use this character? Fine, thats fine, but why use the name Draugr, when this has no little to do with the creature that it pisses me off. It'd be like if I made a character, said he was a Japanese Oni with bare bones connection to the name and then I made him act and seem more like a Nordic Troll. Like why even call him that in the first place.

This isn't anything against you Pitch, in fact, I'm kinda happy Draugr are being used by someone. But this? Not like this. This is not how you use the concept of a Draugr.



You seem to have completely missed the point.

1. I didn't want to use a regular Draugr because a regular Draugr character would be way too fucking OP.

2. He was supposed to be a better version of a Draugr, but the spell that was used just got rid of some weaknesses while greatly reducing his amount of abilities. It literally states this in his profile but I get the feeling you didn't read past this one paragraph. In fact, IT'S IN THE PARAGRAPH YOU QUOTED.

3. Don't hit me with that "no offense to you" bullshit. You insult me multiple times within that "rant". Multiple other people actually like my character. So, I think it's safe for me to say that if you don't like it then you can promptly fuck off.
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Oct 27, 2017 4:45 PM #1485115
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You seem to have completely missed the point.

1. I didn't want to use a regular Draugr because a regular Draugr character would be way too fucking OP.

2. He was supposed to be a better version of a Draugr, but the spell that was used just got rid of some weaknesses while greatly reducing his amount of abilities. It literally states this in his profile but I get the feeling you didn't read past this one paragraph. In fact, IT'S IN THE PARAGRAPH YOU QUOTED.

3. Don't hit me with that "no offense to you" bullshit. You insult me multiple times within that "rant". Multiple other people actually like my character. So, I think it's safe for me to say that if you don't like it then you can promptly fuck off.


Okay sure, especially considering you don't refute anything I say lol.

1:THEN WHY USE IT. YOU MADE HIM A ZOMBIE VAMPIRE. You didn't read a word of what i said, you saw swear words so you assumed I was attacking you as a person. Congrats. You had a unique creature that no one ever uses and used the same methodology teenage writers used to water down the concept of a vampire. Good job. If you can't accept the fact that you did it, that doesn't just make you a shitty writer, it makes you shitty in terms of creativity.

2: So lets see here, taking away valuable powers that make a draugr dangerous in the first place and then replacing it with what you would expect a vampire to have makes it better. HMMMM, really makes you think. Especially considering Draugr have minimal weaknesses to begin with. Have you read AT ALL about them? If your going to use something, at least search the wikipedia page of them. Here you go. Not to mention the fact that THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU CAN SUMMON DRAUGR. What did you do, read skyrim lore and think that was the real thing? Lets just say then that doesn't matter, that still doesn't change the fact that you had a concept of a monster and made that creature into a boring shallow warrior character. Who said he had to be equal powered? Draugr are meant to be monsters and if you suddenly make them into undead humans, they lose any semblance of what it means to be one. So why bother in the first place? Because the name was cool?

3: Well okay then, go cry me a river. How many of these people know anything about draugr? How many of these people know anything about scandinavian culture? How much do YOU even know about scandinavian culture? Seems more like you wanted a shiny toy and didn't want to read the label it had on the back. You sure got me with that fuck off and not actually replying to anything I said, proud of you ;p

I'm gonna say this one final time. You used a concept, that is barely used and is epic in its own right, and made it into a shallow character who stereotypically wants to fight. The end. Accept the character you made.
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Oct 27, 2017 4:56 PM #1485117
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Don't hit me with that "no offense to you" bullshit. You insult me multiple times within that "rant". Multiple other people actually like my character. So, I think it's safe for me to say that if you don't like it then you can promptly fuck off.


Whoa now hold on a second. I went and looked back over Devi's post several times now, and I'm failing to see any instance in which he levied a single insult at you personally. And while he did say that your adaptation of a Draugr :

1) Makes his "Scandanavian blood" boil.
2) Carries wasted potential. (in his eyes)
3) Departs from traditional interpretations of a Draugr. (as he understands them)
4) Fails to improve upon the Draugr or whatever concept at all. (in his opinion)

From where I'm standing, all I'm seeing here are criticisms directed specifically at the character, as opposed to you. He also stated he was happy that the Draugr was being referenced at all, and reiterated that he didn't intend to cause offense to you personally, on top of actually never having insulted you in the first place, unless I'm completely blind?

I mean if I'm whole-heartedly wrong about this whole thing, like I'll rescind this -- with an apology -- but I really don't think devi was trying to insult you here, dude. I feel like someone should point that out.

damn, devi's post went off before mine did.
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Oct 27, 2017 5:03 PM #1485118
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From where I'm standing, all I'm seeing here are criticisms directed specifically at the character, as opposed to you.


Thats not fully true

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You even have the gall to reference the other powers but then say he's a "better version".


Although this is the weakest insult sauce I've ever made in my entire life. I'm not even sure if it is an insult at this point.
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Oct 27, 2017 5:13 PM #1485120
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Whoa now hold on a second. I went and looked back over Devi's post several times now, and I'm failing to see any instance in which he levied a single insult at you personally. And while he did say that your adaptation of a Draugr :

1) Makes his "Scandanavian blood" boil.
2) Carries wasted potential. (in his eyes)
3) Departs from traditional interpretations of a Draugr. (as he understands them)
4) Fails to improve upon the Draugr or whatever concept at all. (in his opinion)

From where I'm standing, all I'm seeing here are criticisms directed specifically at the character, as opposed to you. He also stated he was happy that the Draugr was being referenced at all, and reiterated that he didn't intend to cause offense to you personally, on top of actually never having insulted you in the first place, unless I'm completely blind?

I mean if I'm whole-heartedly wrong about this whole thing, like I'll rescind this -- with an apology -- but I really don't think devi was trying to insult you here, dude. I feel like someone should point that out.

damn, devi's post went off before mine did.


I honestly don't know why I even said anything about insults. Probably because I needed a 3 and I saw the one sentence and thought "Rip me". So, that is indeed a mess up on my part.

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I'm gonna say this one final time. You used a concept, that is barely used and is epic in its own right, and made it into a shallow character who stereotypically wants to fight. The end. Accept the character you made.


I'm just angry in general and a portion of that anger was directed at you. Note: He is a draugr and I do not feel bad for stating that he is. What I should have said is "If you don't like it then you can leave" which is what I shall go with right now.
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Oct 27, 2017 5:19 PM #1485121
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I'm just angry in general and a portion of that anger was directed at you. Note: He is a draugr and I do not feel bad for stating that he is. What I should have said is "If you don't like it then you can leave" which is what I shall go with right now.


Fine then, stick with your shallow character and just continue to ignore everything I've said. I couldn't care less at this point.
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Oct 27, 2017 5:23 PM #1485122
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I couldn't care less at this point.


I'm glad everything was resolved. If you have any further concerns, please DM me. I don't want this page to get filled with bullshit.
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Oct 27, 2017 10:10 PM #1485129
Questions yet again for you PitchEnder. How exactly do you determine if someone is worthy of attaining the Will, and how accurate is Fell in seeing this Will? Does he see it best when the Will in said person is strong?
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Oct 27, 2017 10:36 PM #1485133
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Questions yet again for you PitchEnder. How exactly do you determine if someone is worthy of attaining the Will, and how accurate is Fell in seeing this Will? Does he see it best when the Will in said person is strong?


The will is strongest in those who are incredibly determined to do something + how impactful whatever they do in the future is. Also, the Will can be clouded depending on how reserved a character is. If they don't really want him to see that side of them then he won't see it.
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Oct 27, 2017 10:40 PM #1485135
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The will is strongest in those who are incredibly determined to do something + how impactful whatever they do in the future is. Also, the Will can be clouded depending on how reserved a character is. If they don't really want him to see that side of them then he won't see it.


Sweet, thanks for answering!
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Oct 28, 2017 8:13 PM #1485178
Firstly, how does "Stand your Ground!" work? It is unclear to me what is happening here.

Also I would like to battle you since you are free. I know that the Elementalist isn't 'worthy' but still I think Fell will be surprised. I am currently in a battle with FireflyGoddess but my part is complete. So, unless I am unaware of some rule, let's brawl!

Edit: I also think that the handle of the sword being 1/3rd of the total length is impractical and even disadvantegeous.
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Oct 28, 2017 9:29 PM #1485181
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Firstly, how does "Stand your Ground!" work? It is unclear to me what is happening here.

Also I would like to battle you since you are free. I know that the Elementalist isn't 'worthy' but still I think Fell will be surprised. I am currently in a battle with FireflyGoddess but my part is complete. So, unless I am unaware of some rule, let's brawl!

Edit: I also think that the handle of the sword being 1/3rd of the total length is impractical and even disadvantegeous.


I'll message you about the battle. About the sword, I was basing my design off of a sword that my grandfather used to own. So, even though it may be a bit impractical, I believe that there can be some wiggle room when we're talking about an undead viking with a sword that's taller than him.

Edit: Completely forgot to answer the Stand your Ground question.

Basically, when the Warpath is active, he cannot be stopped. For example, if he was running forward then no outside force on this planet could stop him from moving forward. But, he can stop himself whenever he wants. It's practically the same ability that Juggernaut has.

Edit 2, Electric Boogaloo: A character doesn't have to be worthy for Fell to fight them. He can still be convinced otherwise if he sees their true strength or something like that.... or they could just annoy him.

Edit 3, Beyond Thunderdome: I'm not gonna double post for this since the update isn't very big. I added a sword style section and one ability.
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Nov 1, 2017 9:54 PM #1485295
I hope you're ready for this.

At first glance, I can't find anything immediately troublesome about this character. His backstory is mediocre, but it doesn't pull any punches nor does it do anything wrong. While he's strong, a lot of things offset his strength and make him a solid foe, but one that can be overcome. His appearance isn't abhorrent either. Stuff could be better, but it's not bad by any stretch of the imagination.

But I struggle very hard to be interested in this character. As you remarked yourself to me in private, it's very hard to relate to him. He feels very shallow, in a regard. When I see this character, when I try to think what makes this character interesting, what gives him depth and meaning, I can not manage to come much further than "Well, he's an undead viking warrior and he likes fighting". His motivation to fight is that he wants to be the strongest... but, why? Why does he insist on being the strongest? Why does he want to meet people with the will of the hero? Motivation is key here. Why does your character do the things he does? And I don't mean the superficial reason he gives himself, no. I mean at the core of his being, what is it that drives him? What is it he seeks to accomplish, why does he want to accomplish that, how is he planning on achieving it? All those things. Depth.

He insists on fighting only strong people. Why is that? Is it because he believes people weaker than him have nothing left to teach him? How come? etc etc. You don't need to tell me, I just want you to think about these things, then look at Fell with them in mind. A few suggestions: If you want a more lowkey story, with a more complex character, perhaps make him pigheadedly stubborn in his pursuit of the strong, in his pursuit to prove himself stronger for whatever reason he might have. Then start introducing conflict around this obsession. For example, he wants to be the strongest because he believes it is the only thing that matters. As he works towards his goal, however, the emptiness of his pursuit begins to become apparent. He may not wish to believe it, but the pursuit of strength for the sake of strength is an empty one. Perhaps he realises this on time, and turns his life around for the better. Or he remains stubborn in his beliefs, and we as the audience slowly watch as his obsession consumes him whole, until at story climax he takes an action that makes him irredeemable. The last step that sends him tumbling in the abyss. He may or may not achieve his ploy to become the strongest, but whether or not he does we come to realise just how useless his quest was to begin with.

Or, another story requiring less complexity of character but perhaps equally interesting. Fell seeks to be the strongest because there is a great external antagonism he must overcome for the salvation of himself and/or others. Another example: His friends can not pass on into Walhalla because they're under the control of an evil spirit. Fell seeks to destroy the evil spirit that enthralls his comrades, but when he goes to face off with him he eats the dirt. He realises he must grow stronger to achieve his goal, so he seeks the strongest. Now we can relate to his quest. Now we can empathise with Fell's ploy, be taken aback by his every failure and rejoice in his every victory. At the end he may succeed, and in doing so find salvation for his own soul as well. Or his friends pass on into the afterlife but he is cursed to stay behind, making the ultimate sacrifice etc. Really, be creative, it's your character.

In both cases, however, an important question must be asked: Why wRHG? Why would Fell seek out such an environment as the wRHG specifically? Is it a contrived reason, or given the universe you created is it the most logical step for him to undertake? I'll be anecdotical for a second and use June as an example. She's a perfectly fine character, except she has no reason to be in the wRHG. Her story is not benefited by being put in this particular environment, so I pulled her away from it. Her story is one of the test of spirit: Can she manage to cling onto the ideals she treasures so much in the face of adversity, or will she succumb in order to achieve the justice she looks for? In either case, she is not helped by fighting other wRHG characters, because the story is focussed on herself as a character so very much.

I hope this was helpful for you, and I do hope that with this feedback you can undertake some steps to make Fell a more interesting character to read. Good luck, Pitch.
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Nov 10, 2017 9:29 PM #1485510
It's time for a bump my friends.

UPDATE:

Story, Personality, and Weaknesses have been updated. Go check those out especially if you are a person whose name is Buckethead and you are writing a story about Fell.
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Dec 3, 2017 10:20 PM #1486138
UPDATE:

Another day, another RHG. Bethany Brookes, the orange haired grappler, has made her way into the ring.
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