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this is only vaguely related to evolution. i have no clue what radioactive halos are or what you're talking about, but they don't seem to pertain to this debate so i don't care.

here's a refutation of it anyway, thanks to big bang's post: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/po-halos/gentry.html
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thanks to big bang's post

big bang's post

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Just throwing it out thier.

Can someone please explain to me how, if it takes billions of years for an organism to evolve, why isn't their any sort of recorded fosil of it inbetween stages?

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That seems to me an ignorant way to dismiss evolution.

You should see the eyebrow movements I'm making right now, they are awesome.

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Im not dissmissing it, im just looking for an answer.

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transitional forms would have died out relatively quickly, maybe preventing them from really showing up on the fossil record. evolutionary development isn't totally a process of "constant, gradual change" and it isn't totally a "step by step" process, it's a combination.

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Why ask a question with such a plain answer?

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Sorry, I missed it, I was on my ipod touch.

I just want to know, what happened to all the stages between monkey and man.

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Do you understand the definition of "Species"? It seems that few skeptics of evolution do.

A species is a group of organisms that can mate and produce fertile offspring. That's all.

Lets use the science class favorite of the peppered moth as an example.

Let's say we have a forest. This forest has a species of moths, the white peppered moth, or Biston betularia f. typica. These moths are interbreeding, so they are all definately the same species. There are a few darker-colored moths, too, but their population is dwindling because they are easily seen against the white-grey wood of the trees in the forest, and thus are more often eaten by the birds in the area.

Fetherby Big-Bucks Incorporated decides to make a shoe factory nearby, and the black smoke from the factory makes the trunks of the trees in the forest turn dark brown, almost black. Now, the white moths aren't as hard to see. In fact, the roles have reversed, and now the darker moths are harder to see than the white ones. The darker ones survive longer, so they reproduce more than the lighter ones. When they give birth to a lighter one, that lighter one doesn't survive long, but if they give birth to a darker one, it survives even longer. In fact, some of the ones they give birth to are just randomly a bit darker. This pattern continues, and the long chain of somewhat-darker moths and somewhat lighter ones ends up making enough of a difference that there are now very few white moths and quite a lot of dark ones.

Now, lets say that a group of these white moths migrates a few miles east, to where there are white-colored trees. This takes several generations, but still happens. Now the white ones and the dark ones are in seperate areas, simply because they naturally gravitate to places they can survive better in.

These groups don't see each other for a very long time. They both grow independantly of each other, respectively darker and lighter due to the occasional birth of a genetically darker or lighter one.


20 years pass, and a small group of white moths ends up near the black ones. They attempt to mate, but since their DNA has become so different, their babies come out retarted and die soon. Now we have two species. Two different species. One turned into another. That's evolution.


/thread, unless you can find a flaw in the process.

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The changing in light and dark moths only demenstrates the change within the gene pool of an existing species. There was no increase in genetic infromation- no new allels or new species were created.

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In the early 1960's investigations began to reveal that Kettlewell's experimental method was flawed. In his experiment themoths were released during the day so that they could be easily counted and observed as the birds ate them. in reality, te mos are active at night when e birds are sleeping. Althoug te number of moths did increase aniollion laws were passed it was also noted that their was no change in the lichens in the tree trunk. Evan more damagg was the discovery in 1980's tht the mohs do nt rest on tree trunks of te trees; rather ty sit on the under surce of upper tree branches where they cannot be easily seen.

The changing in light and dark moths only demenstrates the change within the gene pool of an existing species. There was no increase in genetic infromation- no new allels or new species were created.

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HAY!



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