If the theory of evolution exists how come humans haven't evolved? Sure we've expanded and learned new things, but is that considered evolution? Are we the same as other animals? We've been around for maybe 3000 years, and we haven't seen any change to us.
Discuss.
Human Evolution?
Started by: .Busted | Replies: 21 | Views: 2,432
Nov 21, 2008 3:23 AM #298587
Nov 21, 2008 3:51 AM #298610
we aren't evolving much anymore because we have, for the most part, escaped natural selection. As an example, if someone is born with a hereditary mental disorder, we don't just abandon them, there are people who take care of these people for a living. They will likely reach adulthood, and maybe even reproduce. That means that genetic mutations are not weeded out by natural selection. if the same disorder happened to an animal offsprings, they would likely not be able to compete with other animals for food, shelter, etc, and they would die before they reproduce. then, the ratio of normal animals to retarded animals gets lower and lower, until the last animal of that species with the trait that causes that disorder dies. When that happens, the species has made an evolution(as small is it may be), so that that trait is no longer present in that species' genome. For us, however, it is much easier to survive as someone with a genetic defect, and the ratio does not incerease or decrease as quickly)
Btw, evolution sometimes takes place over millions of years(with lots of small, minute changes like the example above) before, say, a new species evolves from an ancestor, so, maybe it just hasnt been long enough.
Btw, evolution sometimes takes place over millions of years(with lots of small, minute changes like the example above) before, say, a new species evolves from an ancestor, so, maybe it just hasnt been long enough.
Nov 21, 2008 4:40 AM #298646
We haven't evolved because evolution is gradual change over a long period of time: We haven't tried recording human evolution untill about 100 years ago, and as such haven't taken notice of any changes.
However, we will not evolve much at all for the reasons Alexio explained.
However, we will not evolve much at all for the reasons Alexio explained.
Nov 21, 2008 4:58 AM #298652
Also, I would like to add, we probably have physically evolved from Greek times, you just wouldn't know it because we can't go look at them. We may have bones and shit, but there might have been some little difference that won't be seeable till like 20,000 years in the future.
Nov 21, 2008 5:00 AM #298654
It's possible that our tail-bones are a bit shorter than in ancient times, and likely that we are more resiliant to the lower-back problems associated with standing upright as well.
Nov 21, 2008 5:09 AM #298657
So is this debate thread basically finished?
Nov 21, 2008 6:38 AM #298695
I want to be a neanderthal with a modern day humans brain.
Those guys were tank yo.
Those guys were tank yo.
Nov 21, 2008 6:42 AM #298699
Because we don't need to.
Nov 21, 2008 8:21 AM #298770
3,000 years is nothing. Evolution takes many times longer than human history to occur. Here are our ancestors who lived 40,000 years ago, cro magnon:

How many differences can you see between us now and us 40,000 years ago? None. Exactly.

How many differences can you see between us now and us 40,000 years ago? None. Exactly.
Nov 21, 2008 9:29 AM #298788
Firstly "DNA evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens
Secondly, evolution is inherited changes in traits from one generation to the next, usually to adapt to the environment. And guess what, It's a continuous process. Seriously, it isn't like Pokemon, you don't gain a level and suddenly evolve, and you can't prevent it by pressing "b" repeatedly. It doesn't work that way. The "levels" can only be observed years later. Just like you don't notice how your hair is growing, unless you see a picture of yourself from two months ago.
Thirdly, it is not correct that we haven't changed, and depending on where we have settled those changes are different.
For example lactose intolerance: As kids people produce an enzyme called lactase that breaks down lactose in the body, this is because lactose is found in milk, and we need to be able to drink mother's milk, our main source for nutrition at the time. However, for most people the production of lactase starts to decline around age 2, and they are no longer able to digest the lactose. But some people, mainly northern Europeans, continue their production of lactase for the rest of their life. This is because the winters are longer to the north, so the people couldn't rely on their harvest to survive. Instead they drank the milk of their cattle, and thus developed the ability to continue production of lactase so that they could digest the milk.
This means that today I can walk out and buy myself an icecream, eat it happily, use my superhuman lactase production to digest it, and then laugh at all the sad chinese dudes that can't.
information from [SIZE="2"]"Campell, Neil A., Jane B. Reece, Martha R. Taylor, and Eric J. Simon. Biology Concepts & Connections. 5th ed. Pg 32-33, San Francisco 2006."[/SIZE]
That's evolution for you right there yo
Secondly, evolution is inherited changes in traits from one generation to the next, usually to adapt to the environment. And guess what, It's a continuous process. Seriously, it isn't like Pokemon, you don't gain a level and suddenly evolve, and you can't prevent it by pressing "b" repeatedly. It doesn't work that way. The "levels" can only be observed years later. Just like you don't notice how your hair is growing, unless you see a picture of yourself from two months ago.
Thirdly, it is not correct that we haven't changed, and depending on where we have settled those changes are different.
For example lactose intolerance: As kids people produce an enzyme called lactase that breaks down lactose in the body, this is because lactose is found in milk, and we need to be able to drink mother's milk, our main source for nutrition at the time. However, for most people the production of lactase starts to decline around age 2, and they are no longer able to digest the lactose. But some people, mainly northern Europeans, continue their production of lactase for the rest of their life. This is because the winters are longer to the north, so the people couldn't rely on their harvest to survive. Instead they drank the milk of their cattle, and thus developed the ability to continue production of lactase so that they could digest the milk.
This means that today I can walk out and buy myself an icecream, eat it happily, use my superhuman lactase production to digest it, and then laugh at all the sad chinese dudes that can't.
information from [SIZE="2"]"Campell, Neil A., Jane B. Reece, Martha R. Taylor, and Eric J. Simon. Biology Concepts & Connections. 5th ed. Pg 32-33, San Francisco 2006."[/SIZE]
That's evolution for you right there yo
Nov 21, 2008 10:10 AM #298794
Quote from aliveFirstly "DNA evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens
Secondly, evolution is inherited changes in traits from one generation to the next, usually to adapt to the environment. And guess what, It's a continuous process. Seriously, it isn't like Pokemon, you don't gain a level and suddenly evolve, and you can't prevent it by pressing "b" repeatedly. It doesn't work that way. The "levels" can only be observed years later. Just like you don't notice how your hair is growing, unless you see a picture of yourself from two months ago.
Thirdly, it is not correct that we haven't changed, and depending on where we have settled those changes are different.
For example lactose intolerance: As kids people produce an enzyme called lactase that breaks down lactose in the body, this is because lactose is found in milk, and we need to be able to drink mother's milk, our main source for nutrition at the time. However, for most people the production of lactase starts to decline around age 2, and they are no longer able to digest the lactose. But some people, mainly northern Europeans, continue their production of lactase for the rest of their life. This is because the winters are longer to the north, so the people couldn't rely on their harvest to survive. Instead they drank the milk of their cattle, and thus developed the ability to continue production of lactase so that they could digest the milk.
This means that today I can walk out and buy myself an icecream, eat it happily, use my superhuman lactase production to digest it, and then laugh at all the sad chinese dudes that can't.
information from [SIZE="2"]"Campell, Neil A., Jane B. Reece, Martha R. Taylor, and Eric J. Simon. Biology Concepts & Connections. 5th ed. Pg 32-33, San Francisco 2006."[/SIZE]
That's evolution for you right there yo
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Nov 21, 2008 10:22 AM #298796
Dinomut photographed a caveperson.
That being said, obviously that's an actor, and therefore changes would be especially difficult to pick out from our species today.
Also, as everyone has stated, evolution takes forever and happens over many small changes gradually rather than huge apparent changes.
That being said, obviously that's an actor, and therefore changes would be especially difficult to pick out from our species today.
Also, as everyone has stated, evolution takes forever and happens over many small changes gradually rather than huge apparent changes.
Nov 21, 2008 10:25 AM #298797
alive stop winning threads
Nov 22, 2008 12:38 AM #299197
One could argue that human are infact still evolving, although not in a forward direction due to the fact that we no longer abandon the disabled.
Nov 22, 2008 12:47 AM #299206
Quote from Dinomut3,000 years is nothing. Evolution takes many times longer than human history to occur. Here are our ancestors who lived 40,000 years ago, cro magnon:
How many differences can you see between us now and us 40,000 years ago? None. Exactly.
How the hell could that possibly be a real human who lived 40,000 years ago? They didn't make photography for another 39,800 years and it was black and white.