Israel vs Gaza

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Jan 16, 2009 5:02 PM #338893
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Trust me, I am NOT defending terrorists. Ever. I have NEVER in this thread said that Israel should just "sit there and take it" because I don't believe they should have. I believe they should fight Hamas. Absolutely they should. But they shouldn't fire phosphorous missiles in an area that densely crowded. They shouldn't blow up UN hospitals. They shouldn't kill hundreds of civilians. Note that I am not rooting for Hamas here. I mean, the other day when Sayid Saim was killed was great. It's not like I was shaking my head. Every single Hamas terrorist deserves a bullet in his skull. You will never hear me say otherwise.

I know that Israel isn't trying to kill civilians like terrorists do, but they sure as hell aren't trying to not kill them either. That's unacceptable.

As for that article, again you are treating it unfairly. He is criticizing Israel's leaders. So what? That automatically makes him antisemetic? EVEN THOUGH HE HIMSELF IS JEWISH? That makes little sense. If I were to harshly criticize Barack Obama does that automatically make me a racist? This is just one guy who feels that Israel has been unfair, and his opinion is interesting. I have already said that I don't agree with everything in that article, so please stop attacking it an start attacking my arguments. I'm kinda getting sick of defending something I didn't write.


The phosphorus link you gave me were all accusations they aren't complete fact, I don't think you should just treat them as such because people think they are.

Ill lay off the article, It just makes me mad that he is attacking Israel so savagely, when, in my opinion, they aren't really doing anything terribly wrong. As I said before, THEY AREN'T THE ONLY ONES KILLING CIVILIANS. You are putting all the deaths on their heads. And that is wrong.
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Jan 16, 2009 11:53 PM #339091
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The phosphorus link you gave me were all accusations they aren't complete fact, I don't think you should just treat them as such because people think they are.

Ill lay off the article, It just makes me mad that he is attacking Israel so savagely, when, in my opinion, they aren't really doing anything terribly wrong. As I said before, THEY AREN'T THE ONLY ONES KILLING CIVILIANS. You are putting all the deaths on their heads. And that is wrong.

Who else is killing the civilians? Hamas? Really? I just don't see very many of those deaths at all being killed by Hamas, especially since missile strikes is what killed most of them. Israeli missile strikes. Fact is, even if Hamas has killed some civilians (I wouldn't doubt it) that number is a very small amount and the vast majority falls on Israel.

If I'm putting all of the deaths on Israel's head, then you aren't putting any of them on Israel's head. Don't you think that Israel should take responsibility in the deaths of hundreds of innocent civilians, hundreds of innocent children, and leaving thousands injured without medical support, food, water, or shelter? It's just not right.
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Jan 17, 2009 12:14 AM #339100
Hamas didn't kill civilians when they started launching missiles into Israel?


How did they pull that off
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Jan 17, 2009 12:53 AM #339115
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Hamas didn't kill civilians when they started launching missiles into Israel?


How did they pull that off

I meant killing Gaza civilians. That was poorly worded.
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Jan 17, 2009 3:18 AM #339202
I wonder why the hell aren't the Gaza people running for cover in basements or trying to high tale it out of the area after initial bombing?

Its war. Shit happens. Not a lot can be justified.
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Jan 17, 2009 11:13 AM #339429
Yeah, like nukem said, it cant be justified, but its war, it will happen.
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Jan 17, 2009 10:42 PM #339721
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7835794.stm
Let's hope Hamas agrees and then this can be over.
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Jan 19, 2009 11:32 AM #340828
Dragon, you are forgetting about all of the suicide bombers that Hamas is using.

You are forgetting that every bit of land that Israel gives up or returns that Hamas pushes in again to that boundary.

The problem with this conflict is that neither side will give in.
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Jan 19, 2009 5:28 PM #340983
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I meant killing Gaza civilians. That was poorly worded.



So when the Hamas is launching missiles into Isreal, killing people in Israel intentionally, that's far not as bad as Israel killing people in Gaza, on a mission to end terrorist strikes?
Are the gaza people some sort of super-breed perfect humans, or why do they value so much more?
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Jan 19, 2009 5:35 PM #340990
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So when the Hamas is launching missiles into Isreal, killing people in Israel intentionally, that's far not as bad as Israel killing people in Gaza, on a mission to end terrorist strikes?
Are the gaza people some sort of super-breed perfect humans, or why do they value so much more?

Note that 3 civilians have been killed in Israel. 600 have been killed in Gaza. THAT is the difference. And, again, I AM NOT DEFENDING HAMAS. What Hamas is doing is WRONG. I am defending the Gaza civilians from the inconsiderate juggernaut that is Israel.
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Jan 19, 2009 5:50 PM #341005
3 civilians have been killed in Israel? What did the Hamas shoot at, cows? I find it hard to believe that the attacks by the Hamas only caused three deaths in Israeli cities, no matter what the news say. Even if, it was the Hamas shooting with the intent to kill innocents, not Israel.
Yes, I know, you're not defending Hamas. But Israel is defending themselves against the Hamas. There is no way they could do that without killing people where they aim at. Yes, there's been bad judgement made, yes, there have been offensives that were highly inconsiderate. But it's a war, and I fully understand Israel trying to urgently shut the Hamas down before the next missile flyes over and kills 20 in Israel.
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Jan 19, 2009 7:34 PM #341084
...and USA is standing with their arm cross watching and can't do much because they always been a bit Isreal friendly...
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Jan 20, 2009 2:33 AM #341305
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7839075.stm
"Tens of thousands" homeless and 400,000 people without water. Yuck. Israel is letting in aid so let's hope that helps...
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Jan 20, 2009 5:03 AM #341460
Nice link there dragon. Those statistics are incredible.
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Jan 20, 2009 7:01 AM #341528
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Nice link there dragon. Those statistics are incredible.

Oh well aren't you a little smartass. That's just great. The link has been fixed.