Thats better, but still those statistics are completely biased. Not once does it mention the Israeli's.

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Thats better, but still those statistics are completely biased. Not once does it mention the Israeli's.

That's because the war was in Gaza, not Israel. Israel had 13 people die. That's not exactly an impressive, or even very interesting, number. I can understand why it was not reported.

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That's because the war was in Gaza, not Israel. Israel had 13 people die. That's not exactly an impressive, or even very interesting, number. I can understand why it was not reported.

Can you link to where it says 13 died in Israel, unless you already have.

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Can you link to where it says 13 died in Israel, unless you already have.

I think I might have linked to it already, but here is the graph. It's a few days old, but I don't think there have been many deaths on the Israeli side recently.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7828884.stm




EDIT: Here's some other stuff I found searching that is pretty interesting:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/father-i-watched-an-israeli-soldier-shoot-dead-my-two-little-girls-1452294.html
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/18/content_10678349.htm

Obviously, the story can't be confirmed and the Gazans telling it could be lying through their teeth (and I wouldn't find it surprising if they were), but it's still interesting.

Um, That is for how many Israelis have died since the attack on Gaza, I'm talking about the missile strikes on Israel before Israel went to Gaza. Where are you getting the number that 3 people died in Israel when they got bombed.

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Um, That is for how many Israelis have died since the attack on Gaza, I'm talking about the missile strikes on Israel before Israel went to Gaza. Where are you getting the number that 3 people died in Israel when they got bombed.

http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre5053r7-us-palestinians-israel/
"Israel launched air strikes on the Gaza Strip on December 27 and ground troops pushed into the enclave a week later, saying its main aim was an end to the rocket fire that had killed 18 people in Israel over the previous eight years."

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-fg-gaza13-2009jan13,0,6944643.story
"Israel has suffered 13 dead: 10 soldiers, four of them by "friendly fire," and three civilians by Hamas rockets."




It's tough to find links to the deaths in Israel, it seems that few news sights report it. They just focus on the deaths on Gazans.

Ah, thank you .

Isreael has a big problem, as if they do release their death figures it is telling Hamas how they are doing, where as Hamas knows that if they release their "death figures" that there is going to be a world uproar.

Here is a interesting quote for you, that I saw on a poster at london during the protests.

"Jews kill babies and lie. They all should die"

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Isreael has a big problem, as if they do release their death figures it is telling Hamas how they are doing, where as Hamas knows that if they release their "death figures" that there is going to be a world uproar.

Here is a interesting quote for you, that I saw on a poster at london during the protests.

"Jews kill babies and lie. They all should die"

1. We know how many people have died in Israel. It's very well documented. It's not like Israel is making a big secret about it.
2. That quote is irrelevant. One extremist doesn't justify Israel's actions.
3. Hamas isn't "releasing" death figures, those numbers come from the United Nations.

i say we blow the shit out of that whole area

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7843307.stm

"Samar had been shot in the back at close range. The bullet damaged her spine, and she is unlikely to walk again."

"But the head of neurosurgery at the El-Arish hospital, Dr Ahmed Yahia, told me that brain scans made it clear that a number of the child victims had been shot at close range. "

"In his hand he carried the teddy bear that had belonged to his daughter, Samar's six-year-old sister. Its head had been blown off, apparently in the same burst of gunfire that had cut his daughter in half."

and I like the last paragraph the best:
"But for the people who lived here, this is a story of wanton destruction. The world must now decide whether the Israeli action here was justified under the rules of war. "


Israel says they will not comment on specific cases and...
"The Israelis say is evidence that on many occasions when civilians were killed their troops had been responding to incoming fire. "


Yuck. The Israeli troops just don't view the Gazans as fellow humans.

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The Israeli troops just don't view the Gazans as fellow humans.

...What ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7853803.stm

Stupid Hamas. They bombed the Israelis and now the Israelis dropped and airstrike on them. One Israeli is dead, One Hamas terrorist is wounded (although some reports say 2), and one Palestinian is dead. Let's hope Obama's envoy that he sent will make peace there fast.

It's pretty much Hamas' job to start shit. It's their goal to destroy Israel.

Israel's been duking it out for decades. If Obama can miraculously stop the fighting, he'll be the next messiah.


Although, let me put it simply. A 2 state solution simply won't work any more. George Bush ****ing sat on his opportunity to fix the problem. Instead of giving the Palestinians a state of their own (which would possible stop the fighting), they've divided among themselves as Hamas v. Fatah. Even if we give them a state now, they'll be completely divided as fundamentalist extremists v. secular people coming from the west bank. Their brand new country will be completely divided and probably fall apart. In which, an even more extremist person will come to power, silence the minority, and target Israel again. By numbers, Hamas would probably win the election.

Although, I think we can all blame the English for promising Arabs independence. The arabs are the ones who went bat shit crazy when England handed over Palestine to the Zionists. The english exploited the Arabs to defeat the Ottomon empire.

edit: almost forgot. Tl:dr? This problem is so deep rooted that's just gotten worse with every day. It won't be solved any time soon.