Gays and Lesbians

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Feb 20, 2009 5:43 PM #360933
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I disagree. Whilst it may be a majority of the population for whom man+woman=normallove that doesn't make it wrong for man+man=love if the jority of the poulation is willing to accept it and even the churches' definitions don't disagree.


You can't disagree with that statement, because it is that statement you're trying to fight.
I agree with you that men can love eachother and it isn't wrong (it is weird though), and btw, the church didn't come up with marriage.
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Feb 20, 2009 5:47 PM #360935
No but they're the ones using it now. That was the point of my earlier post. Who came up with it doesn't matter, it's how it gets applied in modern terms that is relevant here.
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Feb 20, 2009 5:57 PM #360948
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No but they're the ones using it now. That was the point of my earlier post. Who came up with it doesn't matter, it's how it gets applied in modern terms that is relevant here.


The real modern terms of marriage aren't those of the church or the Pope or any religious leader.
The real modern terms is how most people from the newest generations look at it.
Which is:
Man + Woman = Normal Love

Man + Man = Woman + Woman = GROSS YUCK!


We can disagree with the opinion, but we can't disagree that the opinion is there.
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Feb 20, 2009 6:16 PM #360958
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The real modern terms of marriage aren't those of the church or the Pope or any religious leader.
The real modern terms is how most people from the newest generations look at it.
Which is:
Man + Woman = Normal Love

Man + Man = Woman + Woman = GROSS YUCK!


We can disagree with the opinion, but we can't disagree that the opinion is there.


Don't make me get all physicalist on you...

Anyway, just because some people don't like the idea doesn't mean gays should be denied rights. I think the main reason gay marriage is allowed now from what I've heard is the legal perspective.

I'm not sure how inheritance works in the US and other countries but in Britain if you die without a will all of your possesions go to your spouse fist, then your children if there is no spouse, and then to a distant relative. If there's no one the state takes it in the same way as tax. The problems that arose before gay marriage was allowed involved the following scenario:

A gay couple live together but cannot marry. One part of the couple acts in the same way as a housewife would (this is not true of all gay couples, in fact it's very few but it was the case for some), ie. He stayed at home during the day cleaning and socialising, not necesarily because he is gay, maybe the other person has a well paid job and it makes no sense for him to work as well when they don't need the money. There are a rising number of straight couples where the woman works and the man stays at home. The other works, has a well paid job and all the pairs assets are in his name because he paid for them. They have no children (obviously) and their families didn't like the fact that they were gay and have, essentially, disowned them. One day, tragically, the working man of the couple is hit by a bus on the way home. At this point, before gay marriage, the house and all the possesions of the couple would then pass on the the family who had previously wanted nothing to do with the pair, leaving the gay man still alive homeless with no money and nowhere to go. Now that gay marriage is legal the two can be legaly married and there are no problems arising from one of the couple being killed without leaving a will.
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Feb 21, 2009 2:40 PM #361433
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Don't make me get all physicalist on you...
Whaaaat?......

Anyway, just because some people don't like the idea doesn't mean gays should be denied rights. I think the main reason gay marriage is allowed now from what I've heard is the legal perspective.


Never said they should, but they are, right?
I'm not against gays or anything, hell, my sisters are all bisexual.
Hot as hell.

Oh yeah, cool story bro, but what point did it make?
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Feb 21, 2009 4:03 PM #361479
I agree, gay and lesbian people should be made fun of because it is not right for the same sex to marry each other. Sure they its their own decision, but that is the reason why god made man and woman.
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Feb 21, 2009 4:04 PM #361481
Never said they should, but they are, right?
I'm not against gays or anything, hell, my sisters are all bisexual.
Hot as hell.

Oh yeah, cool story bro, but what point did it make?


It made the point that gay marriage needs to be legal otherwise you get situations where people are left with nothing.

And physicalism involves thinking that only what is physically there exists. Following that viewpoint I could argue that the opinion doesn't exist at all, but I won't.
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Feb 22, 2009 4:07 PM #362151
If there were no opinions we'd still live on instincts and we don't so that physicalism crap is nonsense.

Also, I agree with you that they should be allowed to marry, gays, so you why post that story?
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Feb 22, 2009 4:10 PM #362154
The story is to help everyone understand. Anyone can read it, not just you.

Btw I would love to debate physicalism with you but I more or less voided my right to create new threads with that last one so if your willing, you do it.
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Feb 22, 2009 4:37 PM #362166
gay marrige-illegal
lesbian marriage- legal

my opinion
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Feb 22, 2009 4:40 PM #362167
So you want to deny people like the guy in my story their basic human rights?
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Feb 22, 2009 4:49 PM #362173
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gay marrige-illegal
lesbian marriage- legal

my opinion


You fu[SIZE="2"]ck[/SIZE]ing dumbf[SIZE="2"]u[/SIZE]ck, gays can be male OR female.


Also, seeing that you know everything about the physicalism thingy, why don't you make a thread?
Doesn't matter what you did before, if you think this is okay, just do it.
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Feb 22, 2009 5:06 PM #362192
pretty much. .
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Feb 22, 2009 5:09 PM #362196
Well I can't argue with that.
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Feb 22, 2009 5:15 PM #362202
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I agree, gay and lesbian people should be made fun of because it is not right for the same sex to marry each other. Sure they its their own decision, but that is the reason why god made man and woman.


God is not real. Your argument is flawed.