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we have no evidence of what created the big bang either. so however people choose to see this truth is their choice to make

...That's bullshit and you know it.

Quote from lolipops

Bullshit. There is only one truth and believing in something else than the truth is stupid.

Now I'm not saying I know exactly what that truth is; no one truly does know. However, we know that no religion has any actual evidence backing up any of their claims, so it is only logical to assume that, brbbfhrjbfhrbr, they're not true and were made up hundreds of years ago by sand-people to control other sand-people.

It's true for me because people mostly were saved of their reliefs of their own religion like they feel like falling and God helped them. In fact, the reason for religion is to make people believe in their beliefs to make their self think that someone has saved them in times of trouble. Religion in fact saves a lot of people by giving out rules like "The 10 Commandments" from the Christian Religion so that there would be no chaos. If there weren't any religion, then people would be killing each other by now. Each Religion has it's own rules. The world would be best with religion in it to avoid chaos and destruction. Anyway, this thread isn't anything about "Do you believe in religion?", it's about "Would The World Would Be Better Off Without Religion?".

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It's true for me because people mostly were saved of their reliefs of their own religion like they feel like falling and God helped them. In fact, the reason for religion is to make people believe in their beliefs to make their self think that someone has saved them in times of trouble. Religion in fact saves a lot of people by giving out rules like "The 10 Commandments" from the Christian Religion so that there would be no chaos. If there weren't any religion, then people would be killing each other by now. Each Religion has it's own rules. The world would be best with religion in it to avoid chaos and destruction. Anyway, this thread isn't anything about "Do you believe in religion?", it's about "Would The World Would Be Better Off Without Religion?".

You realize more deaths have been made in the name of religion/God than for any other reason, right?

Religion doesn't save anyone, because it doesn't produce anything at all. Science saves people. It produces medicine and technology that make our lives easier, but most importantly healthier and safer.



So yes, the world would be better off without religion, because religion distorts reality for so many people on Earth, it is actually a dangerous thing. This whole notion of "I can believe whatever I want, it's my belief!!" is complete bullshit for multiple reasons and puts many lives in jeopardy.

Reason 1: People act as if they have any influence on reality.
You don't, alright. We behave by nature's rules, not the other way around. There is no God that will help people if we pray hard enough, we have to save ourselves.

Reason 2: People thinking their beliefs are theirs.
Again, they aren't. These beliefs are thousands of years old. There's nothing original about your "interpretation" from the Bible, because it's most likely been taught to you by your parents, who learned from their parents.

Reason 3: It divides humanity based on an imaginary entity which still has not been proven to be true in any way shape or form.
This is the worst. Simply because I am an Atheist (sometimes I'm called militant, which I think is hilarious when they don't see the irony in saying I'll "burn in hell" for it), many believers have this judgmental grudge against me. "I am a Satanist and immoral and I'll burn in hell, and they shouldn't talk to me before they're infected by my poisonous words". Fucking retards. But imagine this on a larger scale, say... Like the millions in the Middle-East wanting to kill Western Civilization because we're not embracing Muhamed as our one and only saviour. Or the millions in the USA, creating actual fucking hitlists against abortion doctors and sometimes killing them. I'm not fucking joking.



Religion is the largest force of distortion in the world and it should be removed in one big swoop, not slowly, but instantly, so all those religious folk could go "well, I'll be damned, I was a huge fucking moron!".

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It's true for me because people mostly were saved of their reliefs of their own religion like they feel like falling and God helped them. In fact, the reason for religion is to make people believe in their beliefs to make their self think that someone has saved them in times of trouble. Religion in fact saves a lot of people by giving out rules like "The 10 Commandments" from the Christian Religion so that there would be no chaos. If there weren't any religion, then people would be killing each other by now. Each Religion has it's own rules. The world would be best with religion in it to avoid chaos and destruction. Anyway, this thread isn't anything about "Do you believe in religion?", it's about "Would The World Would Be Better Off Without Religion?".

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/relativist-fallacy.html

There's only one truth.

Quote from lolipops

You realize more deaths have been made in the name of religion/God than for any other reason, right?

Religion doesn't save anyone, because it doesn't produce anything at all. Science saves people. It produces medicine and technology that make our lives easier, but most importantly healthier and safer.



So yes, the world would be better off without religion, because religion distorts reality for so many people on Earth, it is actually a dangerous thing. This whole notion of "I can believe whatever I want, it's my belief!!" is complete bullshit for multiple reasons and puts many lives in jeopardy.

Reason 1: People act as if they have any influence on reality.
You don't, alright. We behave by nature's rules, not the other way around. There is no God that will help people if we pray hard enough, we have to save ourselves.

Reason 2: People thinking their beliefs are theirs.
Again, they aren't. These beliefs are thousands of years old. There's nothing original about your "interpretation" from the Bible, because it's most likely been taught to you by your parents, who learned from their parents.

Reason 3: It divides humanity based on an imaginary entity which still has not been proven to be true in any way shape or form.
This is the worst. Simply because I am an Atheist (sometimes I'm called militant, which I think is hilarious when they don't see the irony in saying I'll "burn in hell" for it), many believers have this judgmental grudge against me. "I am a Satanist and immoral and I'll burn in hell, and they shouldn't talk to me before they're infected by my poisonous words". Fucking retards. But imagine this on a larger scale, say... Like the millions in the Middle-East wanting to kill Western Civilization because we're not embracing Muhamed as our one and only saviour. Or the millions in the USA, creating actual fucking hitlists against abortion doctors and sometimes killing them. I'm not fucking joking.

Religion is the largest force of distortion in the world and it should be removed in one big swoop, not slowly, but instantly, so all those religious folk could go "well, I'll be damned, I was a huge fucking moron!".

I like to compare religion to politics when it comes to this issue. If someone uses their political belief to cause death or chaos, should the idea or practice of politics be removed? I'm pretty sure you'd say no because it's the person's fault for being greedy and power hungry, not politics in itself. The same applies to religion and everything you criticized about religion can be said about politics. It's people fault who try to use ideas for their own selfish desires, not the idea itself.

Also, did you know that, according to neurologists, a belief in God or religion can actually be beneficial to you if used correctly?

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...That's bullshit and you know it.

what about what i said was bullshit?

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You realize more deaths have been made in the name of religion/God than for any other reason, right?

Religion doesn't save anyone, because it doesn't produce anything at all. Science saves people. It produces medicine and technology that make our lives easier, but most importantly healthier and safer.

At least in war there is a point in dying and you can feel like you did something worthwhile. Also if there is no god or afterlife then what is the point of anything? If I didnt believe in an afterlife i wouldn't of bothered going to school and i would rape and steal my way through life.

Quote from EvansC

Also if there is no god or afterlife then what is the point of anything?If I didnt believe in an afterlife i wouldn't of bothered going to school and i would rape and steal my way through life.

Why do you need a god for there to be a point in anything? Whether there is a god or not, you should still try to live life to the fullest and do good things. I don't understand.

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If I didnt believe in an afterlife i wouldn't of bothered going to school and i would rape and steal my way through life.

You are an objectively bad person.

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At least in war there is a point in dying and you can feel like you did something worthwhile. Also if there is no god or afterlife then what is the point of anything? If I didnt believe in an afterlife i wouldn't of bothered going to school and i would rape and steal my way through life.

... Then you are a psychopath and have a complete lack of both compassion and understanding of life.

Do you really need an all-powerful creator, that will burn you in hell if you do bad things, to behave correctly or to even have a point of existence?
Let me ask you something. Say you live your live perfectly, you're the perfect God-loving Christian, Muslim or Jew, or whatever you are and you got Paradise.

Then what do you do? Then what?
Spend eternity looking down at humans and dancing on the clouds?

Sounds fucking boring.


Also, if you are going to have an afterlife, why waste your time here anyway? If this place isn't nearly as good as the next, then what is the point of this place? Why not get your karma straightened out and kill yourself?

Seems to me that if this is our only shot at living life and being happy, it gives it all the more value. Better seize the day now, while we can. In 80 - 90 years we won't be able to; we'll be dead.

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I'm actually an Anarchist of sorts. Check the Science and Philosophy section. I have a thread there.

I wasn't just talking about politics. I was talking about any idea or concept that someone can come up with that can be abused.(Which can arguably be any)

You realize that book promotes meditation more than it does religion, right?

It does talk a lot about meditation, but the two aren't mutually exclusive and it still covers a belief in a God.

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I wasn't just talking about politics. I was talking about any idea or concept that someone can come up with that can be abused.(Which can arguably be any)

Anything that can be abused is inherently flawed and should be enhanced to the point where it can't be abused any more.

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... Then you are a psychopath and have a complete lack of both compassion and understanding of life.

Do you really need an all-powerful creator, that will burn you in hell if you do bad things, to behave correctly or to even have a point of existence?
Let me ask you something. Say you live your live perfectly, you're the perfect God-loving Christian, Muslim or Jew, or whatever you are and you got Paradise.

Then what do you do? Then what?
Spend eternity looking down at humans and dancing on the clouds?

Sounds fucking boring.

Sounds better than death and forgetting everything i ever loved

Quote from lolipops

Seems to me that if this is our only shot at living life and being happy, it gives it all the more value. Better seize the day now, while we can. In 80 - 90 years we won't be able to; we'll be dead.

that was my point if im not going to pay according to how i perform in this life then why should i bother doing what people say, i might aswell take what i want.

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Sounds better than death and forgetting everything i ever loved
that was my point if im not going to pay according to how i perform in this life then why should i bother doing what people say, i might aswell take what i want.

Can't tell if trolling or simply retarded.

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Anything that can be abused is inherently flawed and should be enhanced to the point where it can't be abused any more.

Or maybe people shouldn't abuse? Either way, at least I got you to acknowledge that making things better is better than removing it.

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Or maybe people shouldn't abuse? Either way, at least I got you to acknowledge that making things better is better than removing it.

No. We remove the old system and replace it with a new one.

And any system that can be abused is flawed to begin with. Saying humans shouldn't abuse is stupid, because they will.