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Jan 24, 2012 7:13 PM #581423
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Feb 1, 2012 5:32 PM #584990
im a vegetarian, my whole family is, but sometimes i might eat some meat, but i usually dont... but we eat meat substitutes and there actually good :D
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Feb 1, 2012 11:32 PM #585531
Humans have to eat.
We were made omnivores.
We eat meat.
We eat plants.
How we get it is just how we get it.
Sure i feel that this was cruel and all, but our bodies function off meat and plants. Humans who are Herbivore or just a Carnivore are not any healthier. All vegetarians are doing is saving a animals life that will die one day and feed the decomposers of the earth.

EDIT: Quick note of mine, the way these animals were slaughtered is wrong on many levels. The cruelty of how they do this is horrible. its not a quick painless death. no its a "lets have fun killing these animals, who cares about them." The cow part was just horrible.
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Feb 3, 2012 11:24 PM #587460
i agree pin, thats why my family is vegetarians in the first place...
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Feb 4, 2012 2:08 AM #587570
Humans are omnivores. Automaton said,

"The fact is that in the world there's millions of vegetarians (hundreds of millions). Those millions have lessened the demand for meat, and in turn less meat has been produced. Sure, it hasn't done that much, but every movement starts off small."

how do you know its not because of other reasons such as disease ( plus you said you're self it was a small difference)? Have you noticed, anonymous (the hackers ) are getting on a freaking computer and are hacking internet servers on there own, for a cause? That has caused, companies to change there decisions and other actions, And they accomplished this in a matter of years. while Vegetarians have done very little in the decades they were here. Instead of not eating meat and depriving your body of the nutrition's it needs. Protest, you don't even need to give up eating meat, and it will have an impact and farms might change there methods of slaughtering to better and more humane ways instead of always focusing on the dollar.

For the sake of logic, do you think a couple million will make any difference to the farming industry when there's billions that still eat meat?
Really do you think they even care if a couple people don't eat meat, because there will always be a majority that does.

"All vegetarians are doing is saving a animals life that will die one day and feed the decomposers of the earth." ~Pin
Logically the simple answer is; better eat, then feed the worms.
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Feb 5, 2012 1:41 AM #588173
Not eating meat doesn't deprive you of any nutrient, everything that you need that is in meat can be found elsewhere.
Not all vegetarians don't eat meat because they want to change the world, some just don't because it's a *personal life choice*.
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Feb 5, 2012 2:20 AM #588192
Quote from Pin
Humans have to eat.
We were made omnivores.
We eat meat.
We eat plants.
How we get it is just how we get it.
Sure i feel that this was cruel and all, but our bodies function off meat and plants. Humans who are Herbivore or just a Carnivore are not any healthier. All vegetarians are doing is saving a animals life that will die one day and feed the decomposers of the earth.

We were also made to be attracted to the opposite sex. Just because we were "made" some way it does not mean we need to be confined by it. And no our body doesn't function off meat, but the nutrients it gives us which can really easily be obtained from other sources.

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Humans are omnivores. Automaton said,

"The fact is that in the world there's millions of vegetarians (hundreds of millions). Those millions have lessened the demand for meat, and in turn less meat has been produced. Sure, it hasn't done that much, but every movement starts off small."

how do you know its not because of other reasons such as disease ( plus you said you're self it was a small difference)? Have you noticed, anonymous (the hackers ) are getting on a freaking computer and are hacking internet servers on there own, for a cause? That has caused, companies to change there decisions and other actions, And they accomplished this in a matter of years. while Vegetarians have done very little in the decades they were here. Instead of not eating meat and depriving your body of the nutrition's it needs. Protest, you don't even need to give up eating meat, and it will have an impact and farms might change there methods of slaughtering to better and more humane ways instead of always focusing on the dollar.

For the sake of logic, do you think a couple million will make any difference to the farming industry when there's billions that still eat meat?
Really do you think they even care if a couple people don't eat meat, because there will always be a majority that does.

"All vegetarians are doing is saving a animals life that will die one day and feed the decomposers of the earth." ~Pin
Logically the simple answer is; better eat, then feed the worms.


So your logic is since there are bigger problems in the world lets ignore all the other ones and only focus on the big shit. You do realise people can multi task. A change in diet does not affect your ability to accomplish other things. And you need to consider how nutrition works, do you know how many sources of nutrients there are in the world not including meat? Insects for example provide plenty.

A few people can make a big difference, and a small difference to you can be seen as immense to others. What I'm getting from you is that if something only makes a small difference, we shouldn't try it at all. I don't really care about the eat your vegetables movement but what you just said is quite weak. I guess since those other movements to reduce smoking are making little to no affect, they should give up to.
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Feb 5, 2012 7:10 AM #588266
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So your logic is since there are bigger problems in the world lets ignore all the other ones and only focus on the big shit.


That's not what he said at all. He said that you should try to fix the problems in ways which are actually effective.
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Feb 5, 2012 6:32 PM #588449
Oh, my bad. Disregard the first sentence.
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Feb 5, 2012 8:16 PM #588480
Disregard the nutrition part obviously I have been corrected. "Not all vegetarians don't eat meat because they want to change the world, some just don't because it's a *personal life choice*". I meant to those who did "want to change the world". Also what really I'm trying to say is that If there's a more effective way to accomplish a goal by any means take it, and that's what makes anonymous effective, they protest, boycott, educate and hack. If I learnt anything I know for sure that, What you want wont come if you take "small steps" to achieve it, but rather "gain leaps" forward.
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Feb 6, 2012 12:47 AM #588559
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Also what really I'm trying to say is that If there's a more effective way to accomplish a goal by any means take it

But what if you don't know what the better alternative is? Should you just sit around until you find it? That doesn't make any sense.
And Vegetarians protest, boycott, and educate all the time. They probably don't hack computers but that's kind of irrelevant to their goals.
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Feb 6, 2012 8:14 AM #588651
Vegetarians can't avoid disease by just avoiding to eat meat, spinach is the most radioactive vegetable used to test for radiation
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Feb 6, 2012 8:16 AM #588653
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Vegetarians can't avoid disease by just avoiding to eat meat, spinach is the most radioactive vegetable used to test for radiation


Serious bro? cool.
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Feb 6, 2012 8:46 AM #588662
by the way, I'm a meat eater again. Couldn't stand not eating meat. Don't think it makes me a hypocrite though, I still agree with my arguments for vegetarianism, just don't have the willpower to follow them through.
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Feb 6, 2012 8:54 AM #588671
TREAD softly in the garden and pluck that rose with care: flowers cry when cut, cucumbers squeal and even healthy fruit gurgles according to new acoustic research on the stressful life of plants.
The findings, released by the Institute for Applied Physics at the University of Bonn, could have important implications for farmers since, with the proper eavesdropping device, one can now distinguish between healthy and sick vegetables. Talking to plants, it seems, is not as rewarding as listening to them.

The Bonn scientists have developed laser-driven microphones that pick up sounds inaccessible to the human ear. When a leaf or a stem is sliced, the plant signals pain (or perhaps merely dismay) by releasing the gas ethylene over its entire surface.

Doctor Frank Kühnemann of Bonn University has been trapping the ethylene in a bell jar. The gas molecules are later bombarded with calibrated laser beams, which makes them vibrate. This produces a soundwave picked up by the microphones. “The more a plant is subjected to stress, the louder the signal we get on our microphone,” he said.

The Bonn scientists have tested a range of plants, always in rooms with controlled temperatures and simulated natural light. But they were most surprised by the reaction of the cucumber. The vegetable appeared to be in good shape, yet according to the acoustic measurements it was virtually shouting with agony.

A closer study showed that it had developed mildew, yet the symptoms were not visible. This finding is likely to make an impact on agriculture. “We can detect an infection the day after it has set in,” said Dr Kühnemann’s colleague Ralph Gaebler. “Farmers, looking at their plant in the field, have to wait eight or nine days until the mildew spots have visibly broken out before they notice the problem,” he said in an interview with Deutsche Welle radio station.

By eavesdropping on plants it should be possible to develop an early warning system to detect pests and disease. Knowing the stress level of fruit and vegetables can also be an aid in efficient storing and transporting. Acoustical evidence demonstrates that apples emit higher levels of ethylene, which causes neighbouring plants to wilt. As a result, the scientists urged fruit producers to store apples separately.

When ripe fruit is packed with unripe, a substantial amount of fruit often ends up rotting even when the shipments are separated by type. The scientists in Bonn have solved this mystery: differences in ripeness are often invisible, but can be detected acoustically in the form of ethylene. It should therefore be sufficient to measure fruit with laser microphones to separate it into batches of appropriate ripeness before loading it on to ships and trucks.

Wolfgang Praetorius, managing director of the German fruit importing company Fruchthansa, agreed. “If the relative ripeness of fruit can be worked out beforehand, it can be intelligently separated. Then we would know which batches to ship together and how long they would stay fresh.”

But the Bonn University team believes plants do more than chatter about aches and pains as if passing time in a doctor’s waiting room. The team also thinks plants warn each other about approaching danger. The “alarm signal” is a chemical message transmitted between individual plants: this too can be measured by the new equipment.


plants have feelings too man we should all eat only air
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