Nothing at all actually. She just started to say things about her life and Jutsu started to call her out saying that everything she posted was bull, and that's when he just exploded.
Also dev, idk man, do you really know about the last times Jutsu did this very same thing?. Because we've tried to deal with this issue in the past by PMing him about it. But apparently he didn't listen.
Exile, I think it all started with this post http://forums.stickpage.com/showthread.php?876-The-Chat-Thread&p=1342934&viewfull=1#post1342934
(If that's what you wanted to know >.> )
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Apr 7, 2015 3:47 PM #1343309
Apr 7, 2015 3:52 PM #1343311
Alrighty. I'll try and explain as neutrally as possible. A lot of this I'm getting from talking to Jutsu on Steam.
Jutsu was hella stressed out over life problems at the time. Already having a bad view towards Caelo because she liked to lie and make up stories about edgy teenager things™, he saw another such post and decided (I'm paraphrasing him here) "he no longer gave a fuck, and was done mincing words and not being allowed to say what he felt, or being allowed to call people out on being a bitch if they're being a bitch." When the mods posted telling Jutsu to calm down, me included, he attacked Camila too. He seems to have kind of a grudge against her at the moment, which is the source of that I think.
Afterwards, after being prodded to say what was wrong, Jutsu revealed how he was hella stressed out over aforementioned life problems and the next little while was everyone saying things would be alright and how he's not as bad of a guy as he makes himself out to be. A few guys said they loved everybody on the forums and it was a hugbox moment. And then it passed by and the moment was kinda left behind. Jutsu was warned for his posts but now this discussion is whether or not it should be an infraction.
Jutsu was hella stressed out over life problems at the time. Already having a bad view towards Caelo because she liked to lie and make up stories about edgy teenager things™, he saw another such post and decided (I'm paraphrasing him here) "he no longer gave a fuck, and was done mincing words and not being allowed to say what he felt, or being allowed to call people out on being a bitch if they're being a bitch." When the mods posted telling Jutsu to calm down, me included, he attacked Camila too. He seems to have kind of a grudge against her at the moment, which is the source of that I think.
Afterwards, after being prodded to say what was wrong, Jutsu revealed how he was hella stressed out over aforementioned life problems and the next little while was everyone saying things would be alright and how he's not as bad of a guy as he makes himself out to be. A few guys said they loved everybody on the forums and it was a hugbox moment. And then it passed by and the moment was kinda left behind. Jutsu was warned for his posts but now this discussion is whether or not it should be an infraction.
Apr 7, 2015 4:06 PM #1343320
So his post is just an outburst of pent-up anger directed toward someone who he perceives to be a liar.
I respect him enough to assume he has a point but this isn't the way to go about expressing it. I'm positive this happened because of his own personal issues and for that reason I don't see what an infraction will possibly accomplish, but if he outright refuses to behave around here he needs to accept the fact that he'll be punished for it. He doesn't get to blatantly break rules and then act indignant when he gets the appropriate punishment for it. I'm all for calling people out on their bullshit but he has no justifiable reason to be that angry over a post like that.
We have standards and rules which everyone is expected to follow and we're plenty lenient when people actually have a good reason for their outbursts, but I don't see one here beyond the fact that he has his own demons he's dealing with, which I can empathize with up to the point where he can't control himself in an environment in which he is expected to follow simple guidelines. If he can't do that he shouldn't be here.
I respect him enough to assume he has a point but this isn't the way to go about expressing it. I'm positive this happened because of his own personal issues and for that reason I don't see what an infraction will possibly accomplish, but if he outright refuses to behave around here he needs to accept the fact that he'll be punished for it. He doesn't get to blatantly break rules and then act indignant when he gets the appropriate punishment for it. I'm all for calling people out on their bullshit but he has no justifiable reason to be that angry over a post like that.
We have standards and rules which everyone is expected to follow and we're plenty lenient when people actually have a good reason for their outbursts, but I don't see one here beyond the fact that he has his own demons he's dealing with, which I can empathize with up to the point where he can't control himself in an environment in which he is expected to follow simple guidelines. If he can't do that he shouldn't be here.
Apr 7, 2015 4:08 PM #1343321
Yeah there was no reason to react like that because he was stressed irl. I get stressed all the time and I don't go ahead and tell the people I dislike all the things I think about them in the most rude way possible.
Like I said, just as the previous times. He has the terrible habit to vent out on some user for 30 minutes BEFORE telling everyone what's bothering him. It'd have been nice of him to just say what was bothering him and everyone would've gladly helped him if he desired to. But no, he does the exact same time we told him to not do.
Like I said, just as the previous times. He has the terrible habit to vent out on some user for 30 minutes BEFORE telling everyone what's bothering him. It'd have been nice of him to just say what was bothering him and everyone would've gladly helped him if he desired to. But no, he does the exact same time we told him to not do.
Apr 7, 2015 4:18 PM #1343327
I don't think the kind of stress you're talking about is even remotely comparable to what he's going through. I'm sure you have your struggles but he sounds like he has manic depressive episodes.
I'm not saying this excuses his behavior but it explains it sufficiently, the fact that you don't do what he does when you're stressed doesn't really mean anything. You're also assuming he actually wanted our help, his reaction to what everyone said makes it clear that wasn't the case. I don't see any reason to expect him to deal with his problems exactly the way we want him to, he's going to do whatever he thinks is best either way. It's how he is.
He just needs to accept that we exist to deal with problems and if he's going to cause them, he's going to get our attention. If he seriously cannot accept that fact then he really doesn't belong here, as much as I like him as a person.
I'm not saying this excuses his behavior but it explains it sufficiently, the fact that you don't do what he does when you're stressed doesn't really mean anything. You're also assuming he actually wanted our help, his reaction to what everyone said makes it clear that wasn't the case. I don't see any reason to expect him to deal with his problems exactly the way we want him to, he's going to do whatever he thinks is best either way. It's how he is.
He just needs to accept that we exist to deal with problems and if he's going to cause them, he's going to get our attention. If he seriously cannot accept that fact then he really doesn't belong here, as much as I like him as a person.
Apr 7, 2015 4:53 PM #1343333
Well then I'd like to know if we're actually going to gove him a sort of infraction for doing this (again). Which I think is the fair thing to do and we can also give him our thoughts on it in a nice way.
Apr 7, 2015 4:56 PM #1343335
Like I said he already received two warnings over this, so I really don't know what an infraction is supposed to accomplish.
Apr 7, 2015 4:59 PM #1343336
Uh, just glancing, but weren't the warnings for two different things? In different threads?
Apr 7, 2015 5:05 PM #1343338
oh, yeah they were. huh.
well Raptor gave him a warning for his worst post so I'm still not sure why anyone wants to give him an infraction after the fact.
well Raptor gave him a warning for his worst post so I'm still not sure why anyone wants to give him an infraction after the fact.
Apr 7, 2015 5:07 PM #1343339
Maybe because he deserved it in he first place...
Apr 7, 2015 5:09 PM #1343341
yet he wasn't given one. kind of late for that now, what is it going to accomplish at this point? we already condemned his behavior.
Apr 7, 2015 5:11 PM #1343343
I would've done it if I wasn't too damn sleepy by when it happened. Idk he was given a mere warning. But yeah I guess it's too late now :I
Apr 7, 2015 5:14 PM #1343345
I was confirming because I've been reading this little chat (I'm now on doubles in labs for 9 days, not consecutive) and wanted to be sure I had a proper handle on the whole thing. I'm keeping neutral on it all, because I didn't see the spiel Jutsu apparently put up or any of it.
Anyways, I do hope this all is settled now, things look ridiculously nuts, and I feel as though there's bias from some of you on the issue.
Anyways, I do hope this all is settled now, things look ridiculously nuts, and I feel as though there's bias from some of you on the issue.
Apr 7, 2015 5:25 PM #1343347
how so?
Apr 7, 2015 5:37 PM #1343352
I just hope that next time we can actually get on an agreement, that way I don't waste 7 hours and multiple pages of discussion just to end eveything with a "it's too late now".
And yeah azure, what do you mean with that.
And yeah azure, what do you mean with that.