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Jan 22, 2016 1:26 AM #1432324
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Historical complaints are sort of valid but I don't see how being a dude is a big part of King Arthur. It's pretty dumb to claim that his penis is so important to you.

Maybe important was the wrong word to use, but there's value in historical accuracy in a story that centers itself around the idea of "what if these people interacted with each other." I mean I'm not trying to sound sexist or anything, but I personally feel it takes away from the integrity of the premise if they change their gender for the obvious reason of appealing to a certain audience. The fact the matter is that men and women aren't the same no matter how you twist it, and I didn't feel like it really did much for the story, so at the point I felt like it was an unnecessary design choice made to appeal to male viewers. And I guess female audiences depending on how you look at it. It's not horrible though, and it certainly wasn't enough to make me dislike Fate/Zero, but I thought I should point it out.

Making him female added a lot of depth imo, because you have all of this torment of hiding Saber's gender and even her own humanity.

I personally didn't think gender as a theme was that prevalent in Zero. Sure it was mentioned here and there, but comparing her role as King to that of Rider's was a much more major theme. I suppose you can argue that there's a bit of subtlety behind both Rider and Archer's comments that relate to her gender though, so I will give you that. Plus I haven't done too much with the VN yet, so maybe there's more I haven't seen.

Honestly, if Saber's identity bothers you so much then maybe you shouldn't get into Fate at all since there are far worse violations of actual historical figures out there, including 'Jack the Ripper' who was summoned as a little girl with a huge ass and a thong that's hanging on to her for dear life. If you want historical accuracy then you might as well go watch a documentary or something, because the Fate series are in the end the same as other anime and manga series, they're just taking inspiration from history.

I mean it doesn't bother me to the point where I'll stop watching it since I've seen some anime that take it way over the top (and the anime is just way too solid for that one element to ruin it entirely). I just felt it was a weird juxtaposition when you compare Saber with someone like Rider, who seems a lot more faithful to his historical background. I mean Saber also isn't the only character I have a problem with, I also have an issue with Berserker since his identity and state seemed more like a plot device for Saber's character than anything else. I also realize there's a line between being historically accurate and just being anal about it, which is why I don't think it's a massive issue (ex. As someone who's read the Epic of Gilgamesh, I doubt Gilgamesh was like how he was in Fate/Zero, but his personality and role in the story meshed so well together that I preferred it that way). But I usually did greatly enjoy the characters who were more faithful to their historical backgrounds than ones who weren't, even when I played the original VN.

But that Jack the Ripper description sounds really dumb though to be honest lol

FSN anime is awful and you'll regret wasting your time on it. The animation is infamously bad so you might as well dedicate yourself to the VN. The route itself is poorly written but the main heroine is Saber and she gets a fair closure for what she suffered in Zero.

UBW anime series was made to be a continuation of Zero so you won't lose much if you want to see it, unless you don't want to be spoiled for the time when you'll read the VN.

Alright, many thanks!
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Jan 22, 2016 8:57 AM #1432415
Honestly Zero has many things to complain about but none of the points you bring up are valid, and let me tell you why.

They don't make sense. You say men and women aren't the same, and yet her gender didn't make a difference. You might as well make up your mind on what you claim. There's a difference between gender and gender roles, in which they're being explored. So if women are nothing but tits and smiles to you, you won't see the added depth because you won't even stop to consider.

Fact of the matter is, Kiritsugu was downright shocked about Saber being a girl, to the point where he just turned away and walked off after summoning her. Gilgamesh is an inherently ancient, and sexist kind of guy. I mean.

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It's a set-up for further developments in the VN as well as a MAJOR factor in Gil's motives. He says this world has nothing to offer to him except for Saber and even proposes to her. He strikes Berserker down just so Saber could excaliblast Caster's monster, etc. Gilgamesh leaves a big inpact on this war's outcomes. None of that would have happened if she was a male, since he wouldn't have gotten so fascinated with her in the first place. Even Iskandar sees her as a foolish little girl (even if he was nicer than Kiritsugu to her, technically). Rider is a good guy but let's face it; women weren't seen as equals in his time either.

Male Saber's view and demeanor is completely different, as you could see form the OVA.

Not to mention that Saber wasn't made to be in Fate/Zero, Fate/Zero was made for her. Urobochi's footnotes in the volumes say that he wanted to write a story that would encourage the writer to read the VNs just to see Saber happy. Her gender is an issue for the protag of the VN, among other things. He refused to let her fight because he only saw her as a fragile, pretty girl (not much of a spoiler btw).
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As for Berserker... um, yes?? He definitely was used for Saber's character, but seeing as Berserkers work under Mad Enhancement skill, there's nothing else he could have been used for without eating into the screentime of the main focus of this story. So they either decided to make him related to someone, or he could just have been a raving lunatic before just dying. Just like Lu Bu in Fate/Extra.

Feast your eyes on actually nonsensical designs.

Jack the Ripper:
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Atilla the Hun (I love her but it doesn't make sense at ALL):
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Jan 22, 2016 9:09 AM #1432416
And here I thought only Raptor and Jellyfish are capable of getting a room together
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Jan 22, 2016 12:30 PM #1432438
This is the only time in my entire forum life that my name has been used more than 5 times.

Yaaaaaaaaaay.
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Jan 22, 2016 7:39 PM #1432490
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This is the only time in my entire forum life that my name has been used more than 5 times.

Yaaaaaaaaaay.


You should go join the smash community.
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Jan 22, 2016 7:54 PM #1432493
So, is "I Can't Understand What My Husband is Saying" gonna get a season 3 or...
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Jan 25, 2016 12:54 AM #1432920
Welp. Just read the first Volume of One Punch Man, can't say I didn't like it. Rather I loved it...
The characters were entertaining, the action was sublime, and the concept was creative. The concept was probably my favorite part of it.
In terms of story-telling, it isn't the best, but it makes up for it in spades with the ridiculous action. I really liked it, looking forward to reading the rest of it.
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Anyway, what do you guys think of One-Punch Man?
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Jan 25, 2016 1:57 AM #1432936
To be honest, I got curious about One Punch Man a few days ago. I found the anime and have only watched the first episode so far...

SO AWESOME!!!
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Jan 25, 2016 2:03 AM #1432939
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To be honest, I got curious about One Punch Man a few days ago. I found the anime and have only watched the first episode so far...

SO AWESOME!!!


I know right? Who's your favorite character so far? Out of everyone. Considering most of the characters are ones Saitama has killed, I'd have to say I like Genos the most. Hbu?
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Jan 25, 2016 6:42 AM #1433007
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Jan 27, 2016 2:25 AM #1433430
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Lu Bu in Fate/Extra


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Jan 27, 2016 8:10 AM #1433514
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Which part are you confused about exactly?
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Jan 27, 2016 10:55 AM #1433528
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Which part are you confused about exactly?


i'm not so much in disbelief as i am simply shocked at how awesome that is. i only know of lu bu from dynasty warriors and he is one crazy motherfucker.
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Jan 27, 2016 11:00 AM #1433529
Yeah his identity is just mentioned. He just goes UUUURRRGGHHHAAAAA a lot. But it is Lu Bu. He's insane.

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Jan 28, 2016 3:19 AM #1433676
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Yeah his identity is just mentioned. He just goes UUUURRRGGHHHAAAAA a lot. But it is Lu Bu. He's insane.

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oh, they made him a berserker then. fitting!