You're not listening to anything I'm saying.

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You're not listening to anything I'm saying.

I can say the same thing.

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Have you ever seen a pack of lions together with one of elephants or whatever? Races are generally rivals.

Have a picture of a bird cleaning a crocodile's teeth:



It's called a symbiotic relationship.

Wow, that's exactly what I thought whan I wrote "generally"!
Now look at this
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Have a picture of a bird cleaning a crocodile's teeth:



It's called a symbiotic relationship.

that was beautiful. *tear*

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Wow, that's exactly what I thought whan I wrote "generally"!
Now look at this
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Wouldn't you have thought that if any two species could learn to get along it would be two intelligent ones which were capable of talking to each other? If a bird-brain and a dinosaur can negotiate a truce, so can humans and aliens. And I'll repeat my analogy to the time when black people were thought of as a lesser species than white people.

Well, ok, everyone knows that black people are a lesser species, but we don't actively legislate that way and it doesn't cause huge issues.
Disclaimer: Anyone who doesn't take this as a joke is not mature enough to be spending time on this forum.

I'd say kill the aliens.

Because they're not us.

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Wouldn't you have thought that if any two species could learn to get along it would be two intelligent ones which were capable of talking to each other? If a bird-brain and a dinosaur can negotiate a truce, so can humans and aliens. And I'll repeat my analogy to the time when black people were thought of as a lesser species than white people.

The analogy with human racism isn't valid. Even if time ago were considered a lesser species there were no proofs for it, and we can now demonstrate that genetically they are humans (we should be very silly to need this). Aliens are objectively another race, but aren't, always objectively, inferior. Nonetheless is evident that a man should place a man before an alien cause a man needs other men to live with. This is of course in the instance of two separed society, if we would have lived mixed together with aliens we would be all equal.
Peace should be always the answer, it's really sad to annihilate another sentient species. To press or not the button is a decision based on a defensive purpose. If aliens don't have the possibility to strike again with such a powerful weapon there is no reason to kill them all; but, if they can, it's an enormous risk to wait, they did it one time, and nothing let us think they couldn't do it again, so it become a problem of "us or them".

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The analogy with human racism isn't valid. Even if time ago were considered a lesser species there were no proofs for it, and we can now demonstrate that genetically they are humans (we should be very silly to need this). Aliens are objectively another race, but aren't, always objectively, inferior.

There's still an objective difference between black people and white people. The question is whether we extend moral obligation to everyone of the same race, everyone of the same species, or everyone of the same sentience. There's no clear reason why we should stop halfway through that progression.

Nonetheless is evident that a man should place a man before an alien cause a man needs other men to live with. This is of course in the instance of two separed society, if we would have lived mixed together with aliens we would be all equal.

So black people are only equal because they live with us now, but it would have been ok to slaughter Zulu women and children?

Peace should be always the answer, it's really sad to annihilate another sentient species. To press or not the button is a decision based on a defensive purpose. If aliens don't have the possibility to strike again with such a powerful weapon there is no reason to kill them all; but, if they can, it's an enormous risk to wait, they did it one time, and nothing let us think they couldn't do it again, so it become a problem of "us or them".

Americans nuked the Japanese once. Should the Japanese be actively working to obliterate the U.S. in case they decide to do it again?

A mass series of precision Obama drone strikes should do the trick. Seems to be all the rage lately. Then fly Obama over there and have him do the "yes we can" speech to the aliens cus he fooled us all with it too. They don't even need to understand him. Just look at his face. If that doesn't work, parachute bags of candy onto their planet.

There's still an objective difference between black people and white people.

The only objective difference are some physical features, they are classifiable as men.

So black people are only equal because they live with us now, but it would have been ok to slaughter Zulu women and children?

As I told many times, blacks are men. Are you trying to say that they are of another kind?

Americans nuked the Japanese once. Should the Japanese be actively working to obliterate the U.S. in case they decide to do it again?

In the main post isn't said if aliens used the bomb with the purpose to end the war. So if we are still in struggle with them, we have no reason to suppose they will not strike again.

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The only objective difference are some physical features, they are classifiable as men.

There's a HUGE difference! That's why physical anthropology splits up humans into three general racial classifications! Don't downplay that difference by wording like there's not a whole lot of difference, if you were going to ignore these kinds of distinctions then you might as well lump every living thing in existence together into one category called "beings."

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if you were going to ignore these kinds of distinctions then you might as well lump every living thing in existence together into one category called "beings."

This exactly. You could classify things by nationality, race, species, or fact-that-they're-sentient. Probably a few others. There's no clear reason why the line should be drawn to make English people equal to Irish people but not Aliens equal to humans.