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May 24, 2015 4:23 AM #1365118
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I kinda disagree on one thing myst. V can win a 1v1 against them all.

Vs Medusa, V just needs to not get in range of stone face and use the clones to beat her up. Same thing Marrow, but you need to work around hell fists, that's it.
Vs Ninja, go for the clones. Bait out the shinobi and then teleport away, you've pretty much won. Or posses it before the can shinobi.

In a 1v2 situation, the V needs to be fast and tele+posses medusa, stone face marrow. He probably will reap you while you're in posses mode, but by then medusa's stone face is on cd, V just needs to beat her up with clones.


two clones are not enough to fight medusa/marrow. and medusa has faster cast speed than possessing, so a medusa can scout V even the V is not in range, and can still select the V out of the range, once the V flashed, sudden kill
for marrow, the same thing happened, and even V possessed the marrow, the reaper spell still works, and can escape from the control of V

for ninja, yea, 1v1 you may win. But ninja is much cheaper, and only costs 4 pop, which means the order player can always bring out 2-3 ninjas vs one V. So still not viable fight.

Usually V only works well before the opponent starts getting enough ninja army, or works well with enough water freeze support.
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May 24, 2015 11:45 AM #1365224
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I kinda disagree on one thing myst. V can win a 1v1 against them all.

Vs Medusa, V just needs to not get in range of stone face and use the clones to beat her up. Same thing Marrow, but you need to work around hell fists, that's it.
Vs Ninja, go for the clones. Bait out the shinobi and then teleport away, you've pretty much won. Or posses it before the can shinobi.

In a 1v2 situation, the V needs to be fast and tele+posses medusa, stone face marrow. He probably will reap you while you're in posses mode, but by then medusa's stone face is on cd, V just needs to beat her up with clones.

V can't tele possess medusa tho, medusa can setup a stone face while the V is out of range and the V will get stoned as it teleports in 100% of the time.

Vs ninja the ninja just needs to not fight if you've not going to posses. It's a win for Order if one ninja costing relatively nothing freezes up 1 V.

Vs marrow the V can't tele possess again against an out of range cast reap, so the V is still screwed.

And in reality the V clones can't beat up the enemy spell caster because the enemy will dps the clones down with ranged units, or in ele's case it won't but EvE is a joke.
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May 25, 2015 9:18 PM #1365553
I know that, but I mean, they should add the name in the item, upside or downside, and maybe a "book" of combinations you can do

For Skeletonxf, forgot use reply with quote
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May 25, 2015 11:41 PM #1365568
What combinations are you talking about?
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May 26, 2015 6:05 AM #1365672
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What combinations are you talking about?


armory I think
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May 26, 2015 11:21 AM #1365708
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I know that, but I mean, they should add the name in the item, upside or downside, and maybe a "book" of combinations you can do


The combinations are very clear. Certain items are meant to go together and by just looking you can spot the combinations. I don't think a book is needed.
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May 26, 2015 11:53 PM #1365897
stupid castle thingies
1)Archers/Deads can hit walls without getting targeted by CA.
2)Miner tower can be brought out to outer gold mines whilst wall can't
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May 27, 2015 10:25 AM #1366033
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stupid castle thingies
1)Archers/Deads can hit walls without getting targeted by CA.
2)Miner tower can be brought out to outer gold mines whilst wall can't

1) Stops premature turtling and stops games dragging out
Now what is stupid is the bug where you hit a miner behind the wall while sniping the wall, that makes 0 sense and is really annoying.
2) Wall is a lot more effective at stopping attacks, and wall can be brought to outer gold mines on medium maps.
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Jun 1, 2015 4:05 PM #1368441
Blind gate most OP unit infinite health can't even be damaged.
Okay no seriously though, will blindgate EVER be fixed?
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Jun 1, 2015 4:52 PM #1368451
needs replacing in my mind or given HP.

Theirs hope for the rest of the empire not blind gate
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Jun 1, 2015 5:18 PM #1368460
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needs replacing in my mind or given HP.
Theirs hope for the rest of the empire not blind gate

I'll be honest, I can't see blind gate in it's current form ever being useful. The pre requisite of placing any sort of barrier or screen on the enemy is them not being able to kite away, which right now is basically the entire OvE and CvE macro, kite and have a solid defence ele can't push through. Blind gate is therefore, only useful once ele's pushed in, which is:
a) the near entire concern for order and almost everything they are trying to prevent
b) a bad choice anyway because BG is outclassed by damaging abilities like Inferno dragon/pool spam

HP won't make blind gate useful. Making blind gate operate on a totally different usage is it's only hope of being more than a joke for us.
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Jun 1, 2015 5:24 PM #1368461
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I'll be honest, I can't see blind gate in it's current form ever being useful. The pre requisite of placing any sort of barrier or screen on the enemy is them not being able to kite away, which right now is basically the entire OvE and CvE macro, kite and have a solid defence ele can't push through. Blind gate is therefore, only useful once ele's pushed in, which is:
a) the near entire concern for order and almost everything they are trying to prevent
b) a bad choice anyway because BG is outclassed by damaging abilities like Inferno dragon/pool spam

HP won't make blind gate useful. Making blind gate operate on a totally different usage is it's only hope of being more than a joke for us.


I remember THatone tried to make something like a Sandman to replace blind gate. I also remember Sandman was a proper tank[something Ele may never have]
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Jun 1, 2015 5:44 PM #1368467
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I remember THatone tried to make something like a Sandman to replace blind gate. I also remember Sandman was a proper tank[something Ele may never have]

Oh screw it. Ignoring you is just annoying.

Now that could work.
And it would thematically work much better than a Giant Tree.

However I'd be concerned if a 400 + 150 gold cost unit could be a proper tank, given that would make Charrogs at (450 + 150) gold + 100 mana be useless and a waste of gold. The cost for what would replace blind gate would have to be raised.
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Jun 1, 2015 6:29 PM #1368475
higher mana cost?

make scorch more expensive? what about replaceing that?

Fire+water+ 200 mana= super mage
earth+air++ 500 mana= Super tank
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Jun 1, 2015 6:59 PM #1368479
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higher mana cost?

make scorch more expensive? what about replaceing that?

Fire+water+ 200 mana= super mage
earth+air++ 500 mana= Super tank

Scorch is fine as it is. Yeah, perhaps putting loads of mana on what would replace BG might work out.