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I also disagree that it's ridiculous to use one to deny the other

Unfortunately there are a lot of people that would flatly refuse to accept evolution if it was against their religion, and as such to refute their claims you have to look at their religion, there's no getting around it.

I know, I'm just trying to keep the antitheism to a minimum here. I'm so fucking sick of seeing "hurrr you can't prove god exists" whenever religion comes up in any debate.

If someone believes in creationism or some other religious topic, I want to hear their reasoning, as long as it relates to at least some aspect of evolution they don't believe in. That's what this thread was made for. If the reasoning stops at "I'm religious, so I don't believe in evolution", I have 12,813 clergymen who agree with me when I call that deliberate ignorance.

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The religion I follow (Islam) states that humanity was made by God out of clay and sand. So humans were humans from the start.

If that's true, how do you explain the pre-human fossil record?

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And I also personally refuse to accept that my great great great etc... grandfather was an ape.

You do realize that humans, monkeys, chimpanzees, gorillas, etc. are all classified as Hominids, right? Hominid literally means "great ape".

But no, we didn't evolve from apes, and your great-great-etc-grandfather wasn't an ape. That's a common misconception about evolution. The theory is that humans and apes evolved separately from the same species, so we share a common ancestor, but we're not descendants of modern apes.

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Well yeah technically the theory of evolution is not incompatible with religion. The theory of evolution is correct in the case of all other life forms, but not in humans. The religion I follow (Islam) states that humanity was made by God out of clay and sand. So humans were humans from the start.
And I also personally refuse to accept that my great great great etc... grandfather was an ape.
But purely scientifically speaking the theory of evolution is right.

So you know it's scientifically proven yet you refuse to accept it?! This is so ridiculous.

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I don't believe in Theory in Evolution.
First. I am a religious one (maybe )
Second. Evidence is not that solid
Third: It is still a theory, so It is not real yet

Evidence is not that solid because it's still a theory? The definition of a scientific theory is way different then the everyday use of the word.

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Theory of Evolution...

let's look into that word

A scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment."

Sounds pretty fucking airtight to me.

For something to be categorized as a scientific theory it has to pretty much be fact. The only reason it is called theory instead of law is so they can add more information to it as they learn more about it.

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So you know it's scientifically proven yet you refuse to accept it?! This is so ridiculous.

Well if I had no religion to guide me then yes I would think it is right. That would be because that is all that I would know off. For example in the past people thought that Earth was the center of the universe and everything orbited it. That was because it was the only logical explanation at the time. Currently the only logical scientific explanation is that humans evolved from another species, that is why we tend to believe it, but it is not 100% proven, so I would rather follow my religion's teachings than something that might possibly be true, but is not 100% accurate.

well actually evolution is both a theory and fact, it is a fact for describing what happen, and a theory when describing how things happen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIm2H0ksawg
this video explain why it is both called theory and fact.
sorry if i was going off topic.

I do not believe in the theory of evolution because i believe in the bible's account of the creation of life on earth. this is what i choose to believe.

I don't really trust the theory of evolution. I mean... a god damn dinosaur the size of a house that evolutionized down to a small-ass chicken? Sounds too ridiculous.

you probably don't understand how evolution actually works then.
also you do realize that there was dinosaurs in many sizes right? there wasn't just huge dinosaurs, but also in fact, small size's.
if you want a detailed explanation on evolution i recommend you to watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiZdhxkfBCk

I know what evolution is. Though I'm just referring overall.

You really don't come off like you do. Your statements reflect those of someone who has a loose idea about evolution, but is clouded by misinformation from outside sources. I doubt you will, but I suggest you look at this article on the origin of birds which explains a more up to date reasoning based in science. I've linked to the simplified version of the article in the hopes that you'd actually read it and hopefully learn something, but again I doubt you will given the track record for people actually broadening their horizons in this section. :\

I'm talking to the last person who posted, Yun. :s

Well I did actually read it. I understand how they research and study things based on science and biology, but again, I'm those kind of strong-willed religious people who doesn't want to study more on this.

Simply saying : I just don't believe in evolution. K I'ma go somewhere else now from here. :s

Ok. Here is how it seems to be at the moment

Theory of evolution. It is the most proven explaination of how certain things came to be now. There is alot of evidence and it seems the most logical explaination.
Scientists all over believe and have proof to believe it. They have taken tests and observed many things(Im not going to go into detail because I really don't know that much).
So that is why they believe it over what the holy bible says.

The bible. It has less proof of what happened and we can only rely on very minimal evidence to say its correct. Christians can't really physically prove what the bible says is true. But, we do have witnesses which say they have witnessed, "certain things", obviously, some of these are dubious claims.Maybe for fame or whatever.

It is quite clear that animals have developed over time and have grown into different things. But, the theory is the most logical thing to say at the moment, but that doesn't mean other religions are wrong for believing what they do. Until there is absolute clarity over the situation, I think its best we leave our religions and theories to our self's. I dont mean talk about it, but dont press what you think on others when you have no way to convince them. Thats why its better to be open minded because you could end up wrong. And then you look like a dumbass.

Thats just what I think.Sorry If I misused any words. I rushed this comment becuz I have to go somewhere.

i pretty much agree with you alien, and i apologize to put words in your mouth but i just want to make it clear that the theory of evolution is not just a theory alone, but both a fact and theory, it is fact for describing what happen, and a theory when describing how things happen.

Gravity is just a theory, ya know?

Edit: What I mean by calling it only a theory is that gravity is obvious and always occurring, but it is considered a theory. Evolution is a theory, but is is obvious and always occurring. A great example of this is wisdom teeth. I had to take mine out. Why? Because my mouth is smaller than my ancestors, and I eat less meat than they did. What else is neat about this you may ask? Well, some people are born without them now because of evolution! I find this pretty neat how prevalent and obvious it is, but so many people (mainly religious) think it is idiotic to believe that it is a fact.