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No matter which way you look at it, whenever the first 'modern' species of chicken arose, the first chicken of that species was of that species at conception, within the egg.

I think zed was saying that the first ancestors of modern chickens might have lacked the ability to lay eggs with hard shells. Aside from that difference it would still be genetically capable of breeding with a modern chicken, if it still existed today.

If that were true your logic isn't really logical, since the first chicken capable of laying hard-shelled eggs wouldn't be born from one in the first place.

Quote from Moreno

which one came first the chicken or the egg?

The egg came first. The video to this proof is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a8pI65emDE
There is no better explanation I have seen that that right there^.
Anyways, back to the topic. I'm actually glad that you brought this topic up Exilement because this is a endless debating subject that has been subjected over all these years. My opinion for Evolution is: Yeah I believe it happened. But we have to look at this subject from a logical point of view. They say we evolved from monkeys or apes. How would that explain though that their is still monkeys and apes lying around? I saw someone from earlier post something like that. Yeah maybe, just maybe, some of us got unlucky and some of our past evolution stages carried along and kept reproducing. But did we truly evolve from apes or monkeys? That is the question. If we take this literally, apes or monkeys came from a past organism. That past organism that made a monkey or ape and so forth came from another organism that would soon evolve to make what is now... "Us". That's why this topic specifically has an endless debate because, everything had to come from somewhere. So how was it possible for the first organism in existence to be created without something to create it therefore, to create different animals different species that later on created apes during DNA mutations and so forth creating us? That's where all the theories come along. We have the religious side of the story <--- and the scientific ---> Both creating very in depth debates of how everything happened. Truly, it's phenomenal and so big that maybe we won't get the true answer ever. But it's something to think about :).

Firstly, I believe that evolution is real. But not in the sense that humans come from apes.
Over a few centuries a species may evole a little.

Example:
A bunch of birds fly south for the winter and get trapped in the snow and for some reason they can't fly back.
After a century or two they begin to evole after staying their for too long.
They evole in the sense that they nor grow more feathers then what they used too.

I believe that if you believe in evolution, then you dont believe in God.
The theory of Evolution disproves God in every form.
Evolution states that all humans evolved from apes.


*Sienctists made a theory that all life began from nothing.
And then a huge explotion happened and created everything we see today.
(The first problem with that theory is the fact of how somthing can be made out of nothing!)

*Then in the earth a bunch of snot, hair and stuff mixed together and made life somehow!
(Again, life coming from a bunch of snot is impossible!)


I dont see any proof that humans come from apes.
Because if that is true then their would still be half-ape half-humans running around somewhere!

But believe what you want to believe, thats what matters!

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The theory of Evolution disproves God in every form.

Firstly, this directly contradicts what you say here:

Quote from Hunter Wizard

And then a huge explotion happened and created everything we see today.
(The first problem with that theory is the fact of how somthing can be made out of nothing!)

A deistic view of God says that he could start the whole thing off and then leave. That would be consistent with evolution and you wouldn't have to try to understand all the confusing cosmology.

Secondly:

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I dont see any proof that humans come from apes.
Because if that is true then their would still be half-ape half-humans running around somewhere!

Rather than me trying to explain to you how evolution works, which has been done in this thread already, why don't you explain why you think every stage of evolution should have to exist simultaneously? Side note: humans didn't evolve from apes; they evolved from ape-like ancestors. Apes evolved from human-like ancestors.

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Evolution states that all humans evolved from apes.

You're a fucking idiot. Why are you even trying to debate a topic if you know nothing about it?

If you type "did humans evolve from apes?" into Google, you'll get 50 million links that explain why you're full of shit. I'd tell you to look up the big bang theory too, but since you literally think it was an explosion I doubt you'd be able to understand anything about it. Either way, stop acting like you know what you're talking about, because it's extremely obvious that you don't.

srry?
Didn't mean to spark a rage in you...

Im just giving you my opinion of what i think and what i understand about evolution!

It's the fact that people spew that sort of uninformed bullshit without even bothering to check if it's correct or not. There's no excuse for it. It's one thing to be unfamiliar with a topic, but you're here trying to discuss it even though you know absolutely nothing about it. It's annoying, especially when you bumped this thread without reading any of it, because everything you said has been refuted already.

Defend your points or admit you're clueless, instead of deflecting and making my response seem like unprovoked "rage".

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Side note: humans didn't evolve from apes; they evolved from ape-like ancestors. Apes evolved from human-like ancestors.

So you are say'ing that apes (or ape-like ancestors) evolved into humans, and then at the same time, humans de-evolved into a crappier creature known as apes?

Quote from Exilement

Defend your points or admit you're clueless, instead of deflecting and making my response seem like unprovoked "rage".

Sorry, I did not mean to make you seem unprovokingly raged!
But your the one who started the debate and is quite sure that your side is the right one.
Your not really going to win a debate by yelling & swearing at someone who is just plainly giving his opinion?!?!

Quote from Hunter Wizard

So you are say'ing that apes (or ape-like ancestors) evolved into humans, and then at the same time, humans de-evolved into a crappier creature known as apes?

Are you retarded?

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Sorry, I did not mean to make you seem unprovokingly raged!
But your the one who started the debate and is quite sure that your side is the right one.
Your not really going to win a debate by yelling & swearing at someone who is just plainly giving his opinion?!?!

They have already defended their points and everything you pointed out has been refuted already. The reason why they are angry is because you clearly did not take any time to read through the thread and see if you were actually contributing to the discussion.

Quote from Hunter Wizard

Your not really going to win a debate by yelling & swearing at someone who is just plainly giving his opinion?!?!

Sharing your uninformed and provably incorrect "opinion" is not debating. This is the debate section, in case you're confused. I'm not trying to "win a debate", I'm telling you to put some effort into what you say around here.

Quote from Hunter Wizard

So you are say'ing that apes (or ape-like ancestors) evolved into humans, and then at the same time, humans de-evolved into a crappier creature known as apes?

No, he said humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor. There's no such thing as "de-evolving".

This is why your posts are annoying. Instead of having a discussion among people who are familiar with a certain topic, we're wasting our time teaching you about it because you're too lazy to Google "evolution" and read up about it yourself.

Quote from Ahmad9383

Well if I had no religion to guide me then yes I would think it is right. That would be because that is all that I would know off. For example in the past people thought that Earth was the center of the universe and everything orbited it. That was because it was the only logical explanation at the time. Currently the only logical scientific explanation is that humans evolved from another species, that is why we tend to believe it, but it is not 100% proven, so I would rather follow my religion's teachings than something that might possibly be true, but is not 100% accurate.

i don't understand how this thought process makes sense to you (or anyone).

"i refuse to believe the only logical scientific explanation, because it is not quite 100% proven. so instead i will follow my religion, which is 0% proven"

disclaimer: i don't know or care exactly what % proven your religion is and i'm not interested in debating it. you get my point though

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So you are say'ing that apes (or ape-like ancestors) evolved into humans, and then at the same time, humans de-evolved into a crappier creature known as apes?


Sorry, I did not mean to make you seem unprovokingly raged!
But your the one who started the debate and is quite sure that your side is the right one.
Your not really going to win a debate by yelling & swearing at someone who is just plainly giving his opinion?!?!

your opinion is wrong, and calling it an "opinion" doesn't make it any less wrong. not only that, but opinions don't have any place in the debate section to start with. here, we participate in debates, backed with evidence. we don't come here to post our totally unfounded, non-researched "opinions".