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my point still the same...

Your point is still stupid. This is real life, not science fiction. Do you have any idea how many guns there are out there?

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They should be banned from everyone but cops (at least the really good ones). It is government's job to keep criminals away from him, at least most of them; but instead of that, the solution is to fight fire with fire, solution that obviously will not take you to any better situation, it'll make it worse.

Are you serious? A universal ban on guns won't stop criminals from acquiring them. We tried that with drugs, and look how well that worked out. The Cartel is making millions smuggling into them into the states, and I'd prefer to not add firearms as one of their sources of revenue.

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That's exactly the reason of why there should be a way to moderate this, it's true, the gun itself doesn't kill; but the society nowadays is SO stupid, that I'm in total disagree to let anyone who wants to have a gun. Most of time, the huge slaughters are commitment by "Normal people", that suddenly got crazy and went to buy a gun to kill lots of people with no reason.

I don't think that there should be such a freedom to get a gun, that's why I say that to prevent these kinds of situations, where you should be psychologically studied and say, "no you can't have a gun because you may have a mental issue due to some depression or you get angry easily with anything". And maybe a big slaughter could be stopped from happening.

I do agree with the psych screening thing, that would be helpful.
But the way you're saying it makes me think that you think anyone in the US can go up to a gun store and just buy a gun.
It doesnt work that way.

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They should be banned from everyone but cops (at least the really good ones). It is government's job to keep criminals away from him, at least most of them; but instead of that, the solution is to fight fire with fire, solution that obviously will not take you to any better situation, it'll make it worse.

They tried that with alcohol several years ago for similar reasons.
Guess what happened?
Crime rate went WAY up.
Still think a ban on guns is a good idea?

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They tried that with alcohol several years ago for similar reasons.
Guess what happened?
Crime rate went WAY up.
Still think a ban on guns is a good idea?

I completely agree with this, but think on a side, marijuana is banned, what if they keep it that way?

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Are you serious? A universal ban on guns won't stop criminals from acquiring them. We tried that with drugs, and look how well that worked out. The Cartel is making millions smuggling into them into the states, and I'd prefer to not add firearms as one of their sources of revenue.

This is only because there is a great demand for weapons, and your country has such a massive weapons industry. There are no gun crazy rednecks or crime syndicates in Finland, thus there is no demand for firearms from the general public.

Basically, America fucked itself in the ass.

They should ban assault rifles, not all guns. Pistols and such are ok, I don't really see any reason for regular citizens to have them. They should be used for military use only...
I rest my case.

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This is only because there is a demand for weapons, and your country has such a massive weapons industry. There are no gun crazy rednecks or crime syndicates in Finland.

Basically, America fucked itself in the ass.

Fucking itself in the ass is the only thing my country does nowadays. But the precautions need to meet the terms, and if you look at our past, prohibition of any kind has been a failure in every way, shape, and form.

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They should ban assault rifles, not all guns. Pistols and such are ok, I don't really see any reason for regular citizens to have them. They should be used for military use only...
I rest my case.

Oh right, because you can't kill someone with a pistol. Guns are guns, and people will continue to kill eachother with them. The only difference is the ease with which they do so.

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Oh right, because you can't kill someone with a pistol. Guns are guns, and people will continue to kill eachother with them. The only difference is the ease with which they do so.

I never said pistols weren't deadly, its just harder to commit some type of mass murder with them. And they do go under the lines of "Self defence" more.
I mean if you suspect a robber in your house, you're not gonna grab the AK and light the whole house up. It just not needed imo.

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I mean if you suspect a robber in your house, you're not gonna grab the AK and light the whole house up.

speak for yourself bro

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Fucking itself in the ass is the only thing my country does nowadays. But the precautions need to meet the terms, and if you look at our past, prohibition of any kind has been a failure in every way, shape, and form.

Yes, if there would be a straight way ban on guns in the USA right now, there'd be some shit going down with all the paranoid rednecks thinking that the government is trying to "take away their freedom".
There'd be chaos on the streets... Actually that sounds rather hilarious, now that I think about it.

In the case of any other country though, I'd issue strict laws regarding the possession of firearms. USA is among the freaky exceptions.
(Notice how I say "regarding the possession of". I would never ban them outright from everyone else except the police and the military, because that would be unfair to the ones who are responsible enough to use them for hobbies and such. Someone who has criminal history, or who is mentally unstable wouldn't get their hands on them, and that's how it is here.)

USA needs to fix their shit, but that is a long process and has to happen gradually. Too many scumbags inhabit the streets as it is for any real change to take place.

It's true that the murdering by firearms will never stop, but we can decrease that number to it's minimal expression. If you look to a graphic about deaths by firearms, you would crap bricks when you see the huge amount of deaths that the USA is having nowadays by firearms.aybe it's a little bit drastic to forbid weapons from everyone, but I think a psychological study to the people who wants to buy/get a gun, would solve tons of problems.

I think it's almost an invalid argument to say "There will always be murders by firearms, so why forbid them?". It's like: "Why do we have a mundial organization looking for the peace between countries if Wars will always exist?"

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I think it's almost an invalid argument to say "There will always be murders by firearms, so why forbid them?". It's like: "Why do we have a mundial organization looking for the peace between countries if Wars will always exist?"

That would be a stupid argument, but that's not the argument from the opposition.

The reason why a sudden ban would cause problems is, that America is a heavily militaristic country. There are shitloads of guns out there and trying to regulate them would be very expensive, and utterly futile due to illegal gun trade and even illegal production of firearms. Trying to ban them would also increase the income of criminals trading illegal guns.

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I think it's almost an invalid argument to say "There will always be murders by firearms, so why forbid them?". It's like: "Why do we have a mundial organization looking for the peace between countries if Wars will always exist?"

Wha... what? No, God no. People don't fucking WANT war to come to their countries. They aren't petitioning the fucking government because it's trying to put a restriction on WAR. People WANT guns, and it's that want of guns that's going assure that there will always deaths by them.

But it can't stay just like nothing has happened!

Over 20 children died a few days ago; CHILDREN man, between 5 and 10 years old, just because of a stupid retarded guy with mental problems that had the possibility to go and get a gun THAT easy. Something must change, maybe not in a drastic way, but START to do somethig now.

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But it can't stay just like nothing has happened!

Over 20 children died a few days ago; CHILDREN man, between 5 and 10 years old, just because of a stupid retarded guy with mental problems that had the possibility to go and get a gun THAT easy. Something must change, maybe not in a drastic way, but START to do somethig now.

You could say the same about USA's economy. Things are pretty shitty there, and it's hard to fix. Drastic changes will do more harm than good, because the people wouldn't be ready for them. If they could get a decent president or something, they could start improving education and providing mental care and such to people who need it. When USA actually is inhabited by somewhat moral and civilized human beings, we can talk about gun control. There's no point in having a civilization if the people aren't civilized.