Rage Thread About Giants.

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Dec 20, 2012 10:48 AM #823293
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Ok, once again
a guy rushed me with EIGHT GIANTS!!!!
again, my army with ninjas spearton and swordwraths just get PWNED
Giants massers really really suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OOOOPPPPPPP!!!!

just cannot figure out how they get so much money?...
i disturb their miners so much...

btw, they are more smarter... they will build walls and castle archers to protect and defend their miners with 1-2 giants at the first stage, and suddenly burst all their giants out when they have 5-6 giants.... how to get rid of campers...? Ghost is not a good way...


they must have experienced early rushes and spearon all out rush and became more alert. They have a new way to counter us.we need a new way to counter them. or make a nerf
the nerf is about higher costing giant or range?
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Dec 20, 2012 12:02 PM #823330
Make them throw stones more slower as the stones are very heavy
Decrease stun time
Decrease range, so albowtross can exactly do something...

Boulders cannot hit fleeting ninjas, it is really important!!!!
every time I tried to assassinate his miner but later when my ninja run back
he throws stones and stun my ninjas and he killed them
My ninjas still get hit although the stones don't REACH the ninjas!

That is all of my comments
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Dec 20, 2012 12:32 PM #823339
Giant massing, or massing of any kind for that manner, just seems fundamentally wrong.

Unless the game has been imbalanced so that

1. Creating a horde of giants
2. Winning with the horde of giants


is a sure win, and that the process of 1 is inevitable, then there is a way to beat giant massers.


So we can either stop our enemy at 1 or 2, assuming the game is not imbalanced. I'll adress 2, just because 1 is pretty damn complex and is situation dependent.

What are giants? (and their weaknesses?)
Meat shields. Their attack isn't that great, in terms of actual damage. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge it takes a fully grown giant two hits to take out one miner. That's pretty low, considering I just spent 1500 on the thing and that it takes up 7 population, and that the delay between their attacks is quite large.

Their strength comes from their massive health, and the fact that they can stun.

This means when people mass semi-strong units like the shinobi (you'd typically have about perhaps 15, on a good day), if you face a giant masser with 7 or so giants, that's almost half your army that will be stunned, and likely killed, as they try to escape, having only brought down 1 giant. Ooh, and look, he has another giant in the training que! And let's not forget that two shinobi take longer to train than one giant.
Fun.

So we have our problem there. When giants can stun, and are built up in their masses, their relatively tiny damage gets magnified and they become an almost unstoppable force.

Therefore, the solution to giants is to create ANOTHER unit that can take large amounts of damage, and is immune to stun!
But hang on a minute ...I swear we have that already ...wait, aren't they called ...giants?


"But does that mean we're just supposed to out-giant them? Isn't that a bit crude?"

Well if you thought I suggested outnumbering their giants, you're going about this the wrong way.

Quote from Azxc
Ok, once again
a guy rushed me with EIGHT GIANTS!!!!
again, my army with ninjas spearton and swordwraths just get PWNED
Giants massers really really suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OOOOPPPPPPP!!!!


Let's take the example above and say the enemy has eight giants. Nothing but eight giants.

If we had, say ..seven giants. We'd lose if we left it at that, of course. But my point is that having 1 or 2 giants slightly less than the enemy will not make you lose the game immediately. You have a window of opportunity, before your giants perish. What's important is what you do with this window.

So, how do we exploit 8 giants, standing in the same spot, for what will be a good few minutes? If only we had a unit that had a decent amount of splash damage.
Oh wait. It's called a wizard.

I don't think it'd be too difficult to force a win from here.
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Dec 20, 2012 8:14 PM #823618
If you want to raise your game you need to stop thinking in terms of what's the best possible maxed out army you can get, and start thinking in terms of how much damage you can cause your opponent's economy/resources for some given cost, and how much benefit you can grab for your own economy, at all stages of the game.

It is all well saying 8 giants are going to destroy everything. The reality is that 8 giants really could be quite tough to deal with. But my hairs would start going grey in game-time before I ever managed to amass 8 giants.

Why build 1 unit at a time when you can build 3-4 units at a time and have an army that is far larger and superior to your opponent's army in a much shorter amount of time. Every unit has a strength and weakness and when you work out what they are you will start using most of them.

Hint: You do not need any giants at all to kill a giant masser.
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Dec 21, 2012 3:43 PM #824484
Quote from Azxc
Ok, once again
a guy rushed me with EIGHT GIANTS!!!!
again, my army with ninjas spearton and swordwraths just get PWNED
Giants massers really really suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OOOOPPPPPPP!!!!

just cannot figure out how they get so much money?...
i disturb their miners so much...

btw, they are more smarter... they will build walls and castle archers to protect and defend their miners with 1-2 giants at the first stage, and suddenly burst all their giants out when they have 5-6 giants.... how to get rid of campers...? Ghost is not a good way...


Hey Azxc, try my combo

6 Speartons
2 Archidons(Optional)
3 Merics
2 Magikill
3 Giants
1 Spirit Giant

I beat a 7-Giant spammer with this combo, you can ask him

The name is Anmolr
I'm sorry but I forgot the code
If you meet him just ask bout me
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Dec 23, 2012 3:32 AM #826266
People always suggest new races, but there is a race that everyone forgets
It is the GIANT EMPIRE, their army consist of just giants
They have been killing the Order and the Chaos Empires
They throw boulders to everyone, more terrible than medusa
Everyone, speartons, ninjas, swordwraths, archers, are being stoned to death
They don't belong to Order anymore, They can fight alone with little help from priest
They are now smart, they know how to gain little support from a few speartons and archers

CaptainCorps has been changed... giants are the only way, even ME, try to think that, is giants the only way...?
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Dec 23, 2012 4:21 AM #826313
What about giant speartons, giant miners, giant starer, giant merics, giant archidons, giant swordwrath, giant bombers, etc... XD
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Dec 23, 2012 5:28 AM #826396
Why do the giants have to be slow and dumb? Wouldn't their brains be larger then ours? & how does being bigger make them slower? We're bigger then animals like (humans are pretty slow) cats, & we're still slower, but why do giant humans have to be slower then regular humans?
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Dec 23, 2012 9:14 AM #826595
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Why do the giants have to be slow and dumb? Wouldn't their brains be larger then ours? & how does being bigger make them slower? We're bigger then animals like (humans are pretty slow) cats, & we're still slower, but why do giant humans have to be slower then regular humans?


Why do dinosaurs didn't even build one empire of themself, or why they would'nt build a place to keep from the big disaster long long ago? Do dinosaurs smarter than us? No.
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Dec 23, 2012 8:17 PM #826938
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Why do dinosaurs didn't even build one empire of themself, or why they would'nt build a place to keep from the big disaster long long ago? Do dinosaurs smarter than us? No.


Their brains obv smaller then ours, but shouldn't giant brains be bigger than ours? They're basically humans, just bigger. Or did stickpage make them some kind of dumb monster that's not human?
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Dec 24, 2012 6:27 AM #827534
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if giants were real, and they were 2 times larger than us, they would be 2 times FASTER.


They're dumb. Keep in mind.
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Dec 24, 2012 7:11 AM #827565
Then explain why deads isnt smart.
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Dec 24, 2012 7:23 AM #827573
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Then explain why deads isnt smart.

They are dead.
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Dec 24, 2012 7:41 AM #827585
... Correct but im kinda dissapointed with that answer
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Dec 24, 2012 8:01 AM #827588
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They are dead.

Exactly! Deads have rotten brains that they didn't use. Giants improve their size while decreasing their agility and brain size. That's the same with dinosaurs.