Early ECLIPSOR!!! I saw a guy who did early Allbowtross (don't even ask what he was thinking), and he said that he didn't get to 200 mana yet and my 2 Swords were already charging. So he made 3 Swords, I retreated, my 3rd Sword loaded, and so did my Archidon. You can tell I won. So best is probably 1 Sword 2 Miners for Order, keep buying Swords and Archers until you have middle. For Chaos, Crawlers and Eclisprsosdssaasfsfsfasfasfasfasas233h43

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Early ECLIPSOR!!! I saw a guy who did early Allbowtross (don't even ask what he was thinking), and he said that he didn't get to 200 mana yet and my 2 Swords were already charging. So he made 3 Swords, I retreated, my 3rd Sword loaded, and so did my Archidon. You can tell I won. So best is probably 1 Sword 2 Miners for Order, keep buying Swords and Archers until you have middle. For Chaos, Crawlers and Eclisprsosdssaasfsfsfasfasfasfasas233h43

to counter early albow as chaos, get an eclipsor, and a bunch of bombs (especially if they have multiple albows, if just one, focus more on eclipsors)

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How will you start a game with Chaos empire?

Typically two miners 2 cats. If it's Ice Lands or Green Hills, I may use the incoming 150g for a miner instead of making a third cat. If I do this, I will use my 2 cats to hold center (until more cats/other force comes), but meanwhile optimizing my economy with 5 miners for an early wingdom. Here I can pretty much take and hold center.

but then a contiuous stream of spears come and kill your statue

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but then a contiuous stream of spears come and kill your statue

How so? I managed to defeat early spearton (plus later speartons), thanks to better economy. I get a jugger ASAP, and then I start massing juggers, and get charge too. Also, get eclipsors.

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but then a continuous stream of spears come and kill your statue

On Grass Hills? You have to be kidding me.

I need help with countering Shadowraths. he had 2 castle archers and 1-2 walls and like 10 shadows.

Result ran past my juggers and deads and killed me.

I need a way to stop this. only 7 minutes into the game BTW

Just get some bombers or stop it at it's roots.

I did I but I had like 12 bombers when he did attacked (attacked in clumps of 4 bombers).

if you had 12 bombers, and he had a load of shadows on the statue, why didnt you bomb his nice tight pack of units? one wave of bombs would have insta-killed his entire army.

Remember, bombers is always a last resort. And cause what can't hit ninjas? Wingdoms. Ninjas are very good ground units but require a lot of control. Flush em out with a mix of wings juggs and poison spray with medusa. Let the medusa be the bait, and nab em when they strike your ground forces.

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On Grass Hills? You have to be kidding me.

short or medium maps

im not sure how often this works or if it was just by luck i started with 6 bombers captured tower when i saw he went spearton first. i macro'd a bit instead of pointlessly smashing my bombers into his one spearton i kept massing bombers while harassing his miners into retreat while he was unable to build a castle archer before he surrendered shortly afterwards.

should pack mentality ever be used or is it pointless?whoops double post

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short or medium maps

Early spear is fair play, but against chaos it may not work so well. Remember, chaos can start with an economic advantage with cats, and that will force you to either make a castle archer or swordwrath. If he matches you with a jugger, you're fighting a losing battle (especially against castle dead, the poison will force you to garrison, while juggs can regenerate health at center).

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should pack mentality ever be used or is it pointless?

I do use pack mentality sometimes, but you have to judge when it's best. If he's still using early archidon and swordwrath units, cats are fast and can clean house. If I still have 5-6 cats left after the starting skirmish for center control, I'll think about buying it, even if he has a castle archer. This is because I can run them behind a ghost or another jug. The castle archer will target the tank while my cats clean miners a few spaces away, out of the splash reach.