I do use pack mentality sometimes, but you have to judge when it's best. If he's still using early archidon and swordwrath units, cats are fast and can clean house. If I still have 5-6 cats left after the starting skirmish for center control, I'll think about buying it, even if he has a castle archer. This is because I can run them behind a ghost or another jug. The castle archer will target the tank while my cats clean miners a few spaces away, out of the splash reach.

what if he has 2 or 3 castle archer as the second targets furthest away unit e.g. crawlers and the 3rd attacks randomly, and im not saying that a meatshield at the back to protect weaker units but 3 castle archer are invaluable against lots of crawlers and meat shield.

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what if he has 2 or 3 castle archer as the second targets furthest away unit e.g. crawlers and the 3rd attacks randomly, and im not saying that a meatshield at the back to protect weaker units but 3 castle archer are invaluable against lots of crawlers and meat shield.

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I do use pack mentality sometimes, but you have to judge when it's best.

Read what I say carefully. Crawlers are good for early play, but you're not going to make crawlers if they go with castle archer 1. If they're producing castle archer 2 and 3, you're not pressuring enough. That's a lot of gold going into units they can't manipulate.

Read what I say carefully. Crawlers are good for early play, but you're not going to make crawlers if they go with castle archer 1. If they're producing castle archer 2 and 3, you're not pressuring enough. That's a lot of gold going into units they can't manipulate.

what would you get, normally i'd get 2 massive chaos giants lots of eclpsors 3 medusa line of bombers barely any crawlers and a line of juggers with charge (and some deads if i have space)
(all upgrades)
14+15=29, (Line of bombers 12) 41 (lots of eclipsors) 59 (line of juggers 5) 74 and 2 deads. 80 (not what i usually do maybe sometimes only 2 medusa or no crawlers)

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what would you get, normally i'd get 2 massive chaos giants lots of eclpsors 3 medusa line of bombers barely any crawlers and a line of juggers with charge (and some deads if i have space)
(all upgrades)
14+15=29, (Line of bombers 12) 41 (lots of eclipsors) 59 (line of juggers 5) 74 and 2 deads. 80 (not what i usually do maybe sometimes only 2 medusa or no crawlers)

Here's what I get (haven't lost a single ranked match with it yet): 5 crawlers with pack mentality, 10 miners, a bunch of wings, a bunch of bombers.

Here's what I get (haven't lost a single ranked match with it yet): 5 crawlers with pack mentality, 10 miners, a bunch of wings, a bunch of bombers

Very complex.:p

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Read what I say carefully. Crawlers are good for early play, but you're not going to make crawlers if they go with castle archer 1. If they're producing castle archer 2 and 3, you're not pressuring enough. That's a lot of gold going into units they can't manipulate.

True if they make castle archers and you go with crawlers you are not pressuring your opponent. To stop them harass their miners and don't let them get castle Archers.

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True if they make castle archers and you go with crawlers you are not pressuring your opponent. To stop them harass their miners and don't let them get castle Archers.

Not always the case, players are able to produce an early archer: but this is what you want. That hinders them from making their economy early in the game. When they do that, you tec up to jugs and ranged units to get in there. If they go 2 or 3, then you have a problem. But if you managed your own economy well enough, you can go with giants and jugs.

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How so? I managed to defeat early spearton (plus later speartons), thanks to better economy. I get a jugger ASAP, and then I start massing juggers, and get charge too. Also, get eclipsors.

I actually do the same thing. I eventually start to mass Juggers and wings :P

JUGERRS rock.
Mxed in with eclipsors and bombers is unbeatable against spears ninja and order flyer(unless u like i have once got 10 bombers to kill eclipsors/flyers but forgot to get 300 for self destruct and had to wait till ur opponent kills ur bombers when ur underneath him)

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what would you get, normally i'd get 2 massive chaos giants lots of eclpsors 3 medusa line of bombers barely any crawlers and a line of juggers with charge (and some deads if i have space)
(all upgrades)
14+15=29, (Line of bombers 12) 41 (lots of eclipsors) 59 (line of juggers 5) 74 and 2 deads. 80 (not what i usually do maybe sometimes only 2 medusa or no crawlers)

And where do the miners fit in?

Well this thread is no longer needed.

Why?

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JUGERRS rock.
Mxed in with eclipsors and bombers is unbeatable against spears ninja and order flyer(unless u like i have once got 10 bombers to kill eclipsors/flyers but forgot to get 300 for self destruct and had to wait till ur opponent kills ur bombers when ur underneath him)

Majikills to kill eclipsors, if they have a. Bunch of archidons this would kill your bombers in seconds, speartons with shield walls and bashing juggers then have a bunch of egaints to kill off withmerics to heal speartons. This army would beat it. Not undefeatable :p

BUT quicker/less expensive and can be defeated by juggers wings and bombers if i use good micro also i only need 3/10 bombers to hit and since i micro well (i think) 9/10 will hit you archers. and if i kill the merics and use charge i can stun spears and kill them/giant while you are stunned and if you try to shield bash me then i move back and let my wings kill you in ur wall stance while only your ONE giant hits jugger then i send him back till u die, if you break stance, mid-fight charge and aim at 1 spear, the one who is closest.

Alright, can someone give me a list of all Chaos units and abilities, loading time, cost, and attack power relative to SwordWrath? I need to figure out a strategy to counter Chaos as I'm seeing more and more.