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Nothing like howling and screaming while your band hammers away crude arrangements of power chords with the distortion cranked so everybody knows that your music is heavier and more hardcore than other genres. And be sure to give your band a hardcore name involving hardcore words such as blood, death, corpse, etc.

Seriously though, I'm not trying to generalize an entire genre, and there is plenty of metal that I'll listen to. But I just never understood what people see in the cliche, pseudo-hardcore, scream laden "death metal" bands. I always found bands like that comparable to "gangsta" rappers. In the sense that both of them are commercialized, trying to appear cool, while taking attention away from the real talented artists of their genre.

But to each his own I suppose.

I respect your opinion.. But I think there are plenty of VERY-talented artists in death metal. And they don't "try" to be cool. They simply stick to a certain style that comes into their prefernces. I'll only listen to metal music. The type that some can't stand saying that it makes them "death". People usually call me a devil worshiper, which I find stupid, because there is only about, rarely, 16% of death metal, being devil worshipping. Which by the way, I don;'t listen to that 16%. But I don't listen to it to be cool. Just as they don't make "that" type of music to be cool. Get what I'm saying? If I wanted to be cool, or they wanted to? Cool meaning: To fit in (thats what it usually means), then I'll pick a genre that everyone else has interest in. Which obviously, none of you guys have interests into. So therefore, in your eyes and everyone else's, I'm not cool. Hahaha..

I actually used to listen to death metal and crap...
I know listen to it and cringe.
I wouldn't call it music.
It's probably the only genre that I dislike.
It's all the same, just a random pig squeal and some deeper roars. I can do that shit, it takes no talent, just vocal rape.

Death Metal has come to an all-time low, In my opinion.
I know 14 year old girls who listen to it.
This is screamo crap.

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I dislike.
It's all the same, just a random pig squeal and some deeper roars. I can do that shit, it takes no talent, just vocal rape.

Please tell me your not serious. Death metal's growling, consisting of low to high inhales, and low to high exhales, take a heeps lot of talent. Your just the one of the other billions of steriotypes out there. For there's a difference between screaming and PROPER screaming. If it hurts when you scream, its because your doing it WRONG. When doing proper growls, and grunts, you MOST IMPORTANTLY have your neck muscles extremely relaxed. Many people try to tighten, and scream their brains out, which is completely wrong. If you tighten, your vocal chords, then you will be hurting. When having your vocal chords realxed and then using your diaphram to compress the air to come out AS SLOW AS POSSIBLE, then it'll give you that nice good scream. You can't get that nice DEEP grunts from screaming your brains out. It's all about how relaxed and the saliva in the back of your throat CONTROL and also the diaphram CONTROL. Screaming your brains out might sound good at first, but it only messes up your throat, and can permanently damage your throat. Thats why there's the proper way of screaming, when your chords are RELAXED. Think about it.. The many death metal vocalists out there. They usually play their concerts everyday. Wouldn't they have already lost their voice? By the way, me being a vocalist of this particular genre, I know this more than you.

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But, I learned the crap as easy as 1,2,3.
Saying it's difficult is bullshit.

It takes around 5-7 months to ABOUT master this going in on day in and day out. A few years for others even. You honestly can't learn this in 1,2,3. So stop bullshitting.

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It takes around 5-7 months to ABOUT master this. A few years for others even. You honestly can't learn this in 1,2,3. So stop bullshitting.

Because it takes time doesn't mean it's difficult.
Anything can be done in time.

And can you please use original quotes and stuff. Because "So stop bullshiting." and "Please tell me you're not serious". Are things that others have said.

You can keep trying to strengthen your arguement, and i'm aware you're in love with this thing, as it seems, so you'll defend it to the ground.
But what i'm getting at is, Most, if not all, of today's "metal" sounds the same.

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You can keep trying to strengthen your arguement, and i'm aware you're in love with this thing, as it seems, so you'll defend it to the ground.
But what i'm getting at is, Most, if not all, of today's "metal" sounds the same.

Most of metal does sound the same. I know that. I wasn't defending metal against that although. I was talking about the "talent" aspect that you were talking about.

Defending the talent part of death metal: It takes concentration. You have to be very relaxed, which many people don't know how to do willingly. To learn this, you must do exercises everyday. You must also know how to work your throat muscles, and appear to know how to willingly generate enough saliva for that gutterly type groans. You must play around with different noises in your mouth day in and day out, straining your voice. When it strains, that tells you that that's the wrong way, or you've done it too long. Which means that you receive pain a little here and there in the learning process. So yup, it isn't just about having enough time. But having control over your body, and endurence of pain during the learning process.

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Most of metal does sound the same. I know that. I wasn't defending metal against that although. I was talking about the "talent" aspect that you were talking about.

Defending the talent part of death metal: It takes concentration. You have to be very relaxed, which many people don't know how to do willingly. To learn this, you must do exercises everyday. You must also know how to work your throat muscles, and appear to know how to willingly generate enough saliva for that gutterly type groans. You must play around with different noises in your mouth day in and day out, straining your voice. When it strains, that tells you that that's the wrong way, or you've done it too long. Which means that you receive pain a little here and there in the learning process. So yup, it isn't just about having enough time. But having control over your body, and endurence of pain during the learning process.

I won't disagree with that. I never found the learning process hard, then again, I started with the simple Pig Squeal, which is easy as balls to learn.

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I won't disagree with that. I never found the learning process hard, then again, I started with the simple Pig Squeal, which is easy as balls to learn.

Yeah, I agree. The pig squeel is VERY easy to learn. But strains your voice after a while when doing it for too long during the learning process. But yeah, were you just talking about that being learnt by you in 1,2,3? Because that's a whole different story. I learned the pig squeel in a matter of 1,2,3 as well. Its the inhales and exhales thats hard to learn.

EDIT: Here goes a few Myspace vids of me drumming =o

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.myvideos

Job For A Cowboy are ****ing gay.

Listen to Morbid Angel of Cannibal Corpse or Visceral Bleeding if you want some ear candy.

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Job For A Cowboy are ****ing gay.

Listen to Morbid Angel of Cannibal Corpse or Visceral Bleeding if you want some ear candy.

Job For A Cowboy i awesome dude. But yea, Canniabal Corpse is good as well, bu I don't know. In my opinion, it's just growls. No heat and fire to the growls. Well, at least, for a the songs I did listen to. Arch Enemy is a kickass band as well. I would've never guessed it was a girl doing the vocals although. Lmao, she's awesome. Also, check out the vids i've posted? I'll try to make a few vids of me doing vocal covers later, when I get my amp back from the shop..

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Job For A Cowboy i awesome dude. But yea, Canniabal Corpse is good as well, bu I don't know. In my opinion, it's just growls. No heat and fire to the growls. Well, at least, for a the songs I did listen to. Arch Enemy is a kickass band as well. I would've never guessed it was a girl doing the vocals although. Lmao, she's awesome. Also, check out the vids i've posted? I'll try to make a few vids of me doing vocal covers later, when I get my amp back from the shop..

"No heat and fire to the growls." Dude, are you serious? George Fisher's (the vocalist of Cannibal Corpse) growls are full of heat, they are real, and FULL of heat.

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"No heat and fire to the growls." Dude, are you serious? George Fisher's (the vocalist of Cannibal Corpse) growls are full of heat, they are real, and FULL of heat.

I said the ones I've listened to..
I don't recall the names of the song, but I didn't like it. The instruments overpowered his vocals and the vocals sounded good, but not with expression. I probably just downloaded a sucky version of them off Limewire.. I'll try to listen to them more later..

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I said the ones I've listened to..
I don't recall the names of the song, but I didn't like it. The instruments overpowered his vocals and the vocals sounded good, but not with expression. I probably just downloaded a sucky version of them off Limewire.. I'll try to listen to them more later..

Try some of the older stuff, like Frantic Disembowelment or the whole Eaten Back To Life album.

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Try some of the older stuff, like Frantic Disembowelment or the whole Eaten Back To Life album.

Will Do =]