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Depends on the question; how do we beat WyzDM? or how do we beat chaos?
Its not one question.

how do we beat WyzDM?
Most of us dont, if he's playing order or chaos.
I have played my chaos vs his order, and would you like to predict the result of that?

How do we beat chaos?
On short map sword rush. FULL swords, not half hearted rush.
On all others, wall and archers, add a mage ASAP, defend until you can add spears and merics, and then advance to tower.
Secure tower, get spawn and attack.

Just to expand a bit on medium or long maps -
I mean archers not castle archers and wall, secure defences behind the first wall to stop the bombs, a wall and few archers is hard to break early game as he's beating on your wall you are beating his units, and despite the order belief in OP chaos regen, it takes a long time for a jugger to heal up.
When you have a few archers, try put a wall closer to tower. Stay behind it to kill next spawn, but then mount counter attacks to try chase his wounded units from tower. If he attacks, kite back to wall.

If he breeches far wall, kite back to original wall.

Add a mage ASAP, and then a meric plus an odd spear to the defence - use spear to protect the wall, and meric will heal him so you dont lose the bomb-proof wall.

Your electric wall and blast should make it really hard for him to beat on your wall without heavy losses, and take out tower spawn with minimal trouble.

Keep trying to beat him off tower, while building a shed-load of miners behind your safe wall.

Build a giant to add some stun to the defence, each attack will now cost him a unit at least, due to stun keeping one unit from retreating.

Build an army of your choice around your giant, archers, mage, meric and spear, then attack (with tower spawn to tank the ineffective castle dead).
Unlike you, he doesnt have AOE castle archers to hit lots of your units at once, nor does he have walls to hold you stationary for his aoe spells - he cant defend anywhere near as well as you can. He has no serious counter to your Egiants, and if you keep the pressure on, your healing is far faster than his regen.

TL-DR:
Defend FIRST, set up eco, take tower, build superior army, storm his laughable 'defences' and win game

Oh shoot. I forgot.

How do we counter Medusa from petrifying our Magikills?!

Uberman, that's really helpful. Even reading it, I think I can beat Chaos now.

you should know that order is stronger in late game, while chaos is stronger than order in early game if with good micro(because of bombers and autoheal)
Lets see some end game units of order vs chaos:
Order giants vs Chaos giants-There's a reason why there are order giant massers but no chaos giant massers. with some tanks an enslaved giant can really wreck A LOT. about 7-9 boulders kill a jugger, so if you have multiple giants and some speartons, you can easily finish off a group of juggers. Plus, bombers barely do anything to high health units( one boulder and thats death for your bomber and crawler). Meanwhile chaos giants have shlow attack rate and close range, and its attacks can be easily dodged, despite its higher damage. Also it splashs to only 3 units, thats less than a castle archer!

Majikill vs Medusa and/or marrowkai: sure, medusa autokills majikill, but majikill does more damage to the full army. Marrowkai is a joke. The reaper only targets one unit, and the hell fists barely do any damage, while poison spray poisons a lot more than venom flux, and electic wall and blast do so much more damage then hell fists and reaper.

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you should know that order is stronger in late game, while chaos is stronger than order in early game if with good micro(because of bombers and autoheal)
Lets see some end game units of order vs chaos:
Order giants vs Chaos giants-There's a reason why there are order giant massers but no chaos giant massers. with some tanks an enslaved giant can really wreck A LOT. about 7-9 boulders kill a jugger, so if you have multiple giants and some speartons, you can easily finish off a group of juggers. Plus, bombers barely do anything to high health units( one boulder and thats death for your bomber and crawler). Meanwhile chaos giants have shlow attack rate and close range, and its attacks can be easily dodged, despite its higher damage. Also it splashs to only 3 units, thats less than a castle archer!

Majikill vs Medusa and/or marrowkai: sure, medusa autokills majikill, but majikill does more damage to the full army. Marrowkai is a joke. The reaper only targets one unit, and the hell fists barely do any damage, while poison spray poisons a lot more than venom flux, and electic wall and blast do so much more damage then hell fists and reaper.

Maybe marrowkai should be buffed? Like make it cheaper?

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Maybe marrowkai should be buffed? Like make it cheaper?

well, I thought this thread is how to DEFEAT Chaos, not to HELP...

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well, I thought this thread is how to DEFEAT Chaos, not to HELP...

EVERY thread can be twisted to our cause, and every cause twisted to our wishes - for we are CHAOS!

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EVERY thread can be twisted to our cause, and every cause twisted to our wishes - for we are CHAOS!

xD But IMO the reaper needs to work regardless of animation cancel.

THIs thread is too help order, i think the empires are enough balanced, and if u all think chaos is OP or slightly Op so think ABOUT IT! IT TAKES MONEY TO PLAY CHAOS (MONEY!) IF ITS NOT GOOD THEN WHY THE HELL WOULD EVER BUY CHAOS SO STOP ARGUING ABOUT CHAOS AND THINK ABOUT THE THIRD EMPIRE

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THIs thread is too help order, i think the empires are enough balanced, and if u all think chaos is OP or slightly Op so think ABOUT IT! IT TAKES MONEY TO PLAY CHAOS (MONEY!) IF ITS NOT GOOD THEN WHY THE HELL WOULD EVER BUY CHAOS SO STOP ARGUING ABOUT CHAOS AND THINK ABOUT THE THIRD EMPIRE

Stop capslocking, and changing the size. Its annoying.

And do you realize what you are talking about? This thread is to help order to defeat Chaos, not about elemental empire.

ik this thread is too help order and defeat chaos, but i just said that stop thinking about this and i didnt said about elemenals just third empire! didnt go off topic for third empire, a word dosent make go off topic

Whatever bro, whatever.

On topic, sword mass + rage works for noob Chaos.

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ik this thread is too help order and defeat chaos, but i just said that stop thinking about this and i didnt said about elemenals just third empire! didnt go off topic for third empire, a word dosent make go off topic

Well no one said you can't make opinions to make the game better. And I think marrowkais should be buffed. Although it's off topic. But I would like to see players happy using marrowkai. For some reason, It's one of my favorite units. LOL

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Alright, I've had enough of this shit.
Someone good, like Wyz or Dae or Gale, PLEASE give us a replay of you separating your swords like a boss vs. large bomber masses and emerging victorious.
I have yet to see it done successfully on any of the Order-Chaos replays in the top list.

You keep saying it's doable, and I believe you guys, but I've never seen it work and I would like to see what black magic you people use to pull it off.

www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay979643&version=1.60

Ta da.