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The Great Debate : Order VS Chaos

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Jun 10, 2013 6:13 AM #1002802
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After all this time? You still didn't realize?

And, a ninja can kill medusa/marrow with Shinobi 2 and a quick strike afterwords. But it's almost certain that the ninja will die. But for now, lets compare the prices.

Shadowrath : 450g 200 m.
Medusa : 500g 400m
Marrow : 400g 400m

There. Look how a puny ninja can pwn a unit that is higher tier than them? Also, only both of these or our only option to kill mages which are hiding behind a wall. Behind the wall, they're almost untouchable.

Order have meric. When meric is spammed, units heal quickly. But chaos? They only have a puny regen. It may be good early, but it's useless late game. How is it supposed to heal a severely injured giant? Order can have as many as meric as they want, so that the units heal MUCH faster.

Poison Spray. It's so much more effective than Venom Flux. While Venom Flux stays for 20 secs, and Poison Spray is only one use and can be used again, it's useless. Why? Because of its range. Medusa will have to go upfront to poison tank units. Not really worth it. And it's dodgeable too. And Order have Merics for insta-cure. Chaos passive cure kicks in slower. It can almost kill wingidons.


Also, u didin't realise that medusa can pwn a magikill easily, and a meric dies very easily too cuz of its slow speed. Venom flux will stay there, and will poison the units that go past. So, all that chaos has to do is to just retreat until they pass through the pool. And if order masses merics, chaos can mass medusas either way. Medusas can just petrify then escape. No big deal. Chaos might have large economy while order might have low econ cuz chaos will keep pressuring
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Jun 10, 2013 7:20 AM #1002846
A medusa is the only thing for chaos that can insta kill. Order has Ninja, which has more health but just slightly weaker than medusa. How so? Medusa can insta-kill anyunit except giant, while ninja can only insta-kill low tier unit and mages. But the thing is, ninja is more worth it. Why? Because of :

Ninja is faster than Medusa, and can retreat after killing his target. Medusa is ranged, but the range is quite the same of that of a blast.
Ninja has less pop, mana and gold cost, train time and most importantly recharge for ability.
Venom Flux stays there, but the poison is pitiful. With a couple of merics, even archers can go through, and 6 of them can still be alive, because of poison do less damage, and Meric's Cure.
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Jun 10, 2013 7:52 AM #1002869
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A medusa is the only thing for chaos that can insta kill. Order has Ninja, which has more health but just slightly weaker than medusa. How so? Medusa can insta-kill anyunit except giant, while ninja can only insta-kill low tier unit and mages. But the thing is, ninja is more worth it. Why? Because of :

Ninja is faster than Medusa, and can retreat after killing his target. Medusa is ranged, but the range is quite the same of that of a blast.
Ninja has less pop, mana and gold cost, train time and most importantly recharge for ability.
Venom Flux stays there, but the poison is pitiful. With a couple of merics, even archers can go through, and 6 of them can still be alive, because of poison do less damage, and Meric's Cure.


Btw, when did u have the time and mana to get shinobi 1 and 2? They cost 250 gold and 300 mana. Also, don't tell me u have 3 merics, and 2 ninjas. Medusa's petrify will insta-kill, but, seriously, what do u want to kill with ninjas? All the units are faster than ninjas in cloak. Also, if u say that your archers will have extra time to shoot my army, u forgot i got tower and tower spawn. Like i told u, merics die very easily
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Jun 10, 2013 8:33 AM #1002882
I just wanted to pop in to interject that although merics rule, a bunch of bombers will kill them all since they tend to clump together as they walk.

Someone should test how many bombers it takes to finish a crowd of merics and magikill.
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Jun 10, 2013 8:37 AM #1002885
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I just wanted to pop in to interject that although merics rule, a bunch of bombers will kill them all since they tend to clump together as they walk.

Someone should test how many bombers it takes to finish a crowd of merics and magikill.


Around 9. I tested
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Jun 10, 2013 8:38 AM #1002888
So take 9 bombers and bam, you've just destroyed a meric spam.

Hopefully the poor Order guy is fast enough to cast electric wall.
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Jun 10, 2013 8:41 AM #1002893
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Also, u didin't realise that medusa can pwn a magikill easily, and a meric dies very easily too cuz of its slow speed. Venom flux will stay there, and will poison the units that go past. So, all that chaos has to do is to just retreat until they pass through the pool. And if order masses merics, chaos can mass medusas either way. Medusas can just petrify then escape. No big deal. Chaos might have large economy while order might have low econ cuz chaos will keep pressuring


1: if you see a medusa, make your mage run away.
2: Venom flux poison is pitiful
3: Who the fuck masses medusas? If you do that you're a dumbass and the only thing you'll kill is your econ.
4: THE ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE ONLY LASTS AS LONG AS YOU LET IT. ORDER CAN PRESSURE TOO.
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Jun 10, 2013 8:42 AM #1002895
If they're massing Medusa you're an idiot.

Get swords! :D With rage. Even with venom flux the swords can survive long enough and rage out medusas. Heck even better, just get a bunch of spears and archers and kill dem miners.
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Jun 10, 2013 8:44 AM #1002897
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So take 9 bombers and bam, you've just destroyed a meric spam.

Hopefully the poor Order guy is fast enough to cast electric wall.


Why would you still have 9 bombers by the time someone meric spams? While the things are queueing you can't build juggers. You could have 3 juggers and have one halfway done by the time you've made 9 bombers. Besides the nearly 700 gold it would take to make 9 bombers. That 700 gold is better used somewhere else. Thats not even taking into account the fact that it would be realllyyyy hard to get 9 bombers past the front line when order has archers. you might get 3-4 at the most to hit the merics, when the best thing to use those for would be to hit their archers which is near impossible.
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Jun 10, 2013 11:10 AM #1002993
Now your insulting me. Its soo easy. Just get juggers in front and just make them run past everything.
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Jun 10, 2013 1:34 PM #1003092
If you have 9 bombers (I'm going to assume that's what you're talking about.) You've wasted the 700 gold it takes to make them and your time. I've never seen that done competitively, I doubt anyone would need to worry about that happening. Sorry if I made you feel insulted, but honestly, nobody masses medusas and wins. If you've let someone mass medusas, that's on you.
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Jun 10, 2013 4:35 PM #1003266
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If you have 9 bombers (I'm going to assume that's what you're talking about.) You've wasted the 700 gold it takes to make them and your time. I've never seen that done competitively, I doubt anyone would need to worry about that happening. Sorry if I made you feel insulted, but honestly, nobody masses medusas and wins. If you've let someone mass medusas, that's on you.


Oh yes, I agree..... Medusa and deads mass is really good, but needs lots of time..... so it depends on YOU.
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Jun 11, 2013 1:34 PM #1004047
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If you have 9 bombers (I'm going to assume that's what you're talking about.) You've wasted the 700 gold it takes to make them and your time. I've never seen that done competitively, I doubt anyone would need to worry about that happening. Sorry if I made you feel insulted, but honestly, nobody masses medusas and wins. If you've let someone mass medusas, that's on you.


I'm saying that, what are u gonna use your spears to defend? The meric or the archers? If u split, then one of them will be weak and i would destroy them. If u use sheild wall, i would charge your archers
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Jun 11, 2013 1:58 PM #1004067
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I'm saying that, what are u gonna use your spears to defend? The meric or the archers? If u split, then one of them will be weak and i would destroy them. If u use sheild wall, i would charge your archers


Shield Bash.
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Jun 11, 2013 2:05 PM #1004078
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Shield Bash.


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