It was a while ago, so I don't have a replay; but there are some guys who use their miners to pray while most of us get swords or archers. Then, when we attack, they have amassed 50 mana. They buy a spearton and use it to obliterate the swords or archers of most starting moves, and then press the miners into garrissoning. By the time I got castle archer, I was 2 miners behind and totally out of troops.

I'm still not sure if this is a good start or not; if the enemy opts to turtle from the start, you wouldn't be able to kill many miners before you have to flee, and you would be behind in the miner race. However, on short maps, very few people opt to turtle; most of us immediately use the swordwrath rage or swordwrath-archidon combo in a micro war as soon as possible.

But having fought it, I'm not certain if it is a ludicrous start or just an unexpected one.

Also, this might be a good strategy against chaos; I can't really see bombers and crawlers killing a spearton.

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It was a while ago, so I don't have a replay; but there are some guys who use their miners to pray while most of us get swords or archers. Then, when we attack, they have amassed 50 mana. They buy a spearton and use it to obliterate the swords or archers of most starting moves, and then press the miners into garrissoning. By the time I got castle archer, I was 2 miners behind and totally out of troops.

I'm still not sure if this is a good start or not; if the enemy opts to turtle from the start, you wouldn't be able to kill many miners before you have to flee, and you would be behind in the miner race. However, on short maps, very few people opt to turtle; most of us immediately use the swordwrath rage or swordwrath-archidon combo in a micro war as soon as possible.

But having fought it, I'm not certain if it is a ludicrous start or just an unexpected one.

Also, this might be a good strategy against chaos; I can't really see bombers and crawlers killing a spearton.

3 Swords solo a Spear, so... no.

But against Chaos... maybe. Unless he does the same thing and gets a Juggerknight. Then you're screwed.

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3 Swords solo a Spear, so... no.

But against Chaos... maybe. Unless he does the same thing and gets a Juggerknight. Then you're screwed.

Or you stand on your base with your spearton...and when he attack with his jugger, counter with spearton and your miners ;)

@merich1 Yes, that was what I thought would happen; but what I didn't put into the equation in time was that my swords would be attacking one by one. To counter this, I would still have to retreat to save up 3 swordwrath while he gets his own miners, which puts us apparently equal; he would just use that time to get more miners and make up for lost time.

Dont you already have at least one sword from the time it took for him to get 50 mana? :confused:

BTW, this is a very common opening among the 1400 players, so I have beaten it a few times. Usually my opponent is unable to get his economy up to where it should be in time.

early spearton is a joke:/ just sayin.

just garrison your miners for a bit while you keep buying swords.if one sword is about to die, garrison it. keep attacking with a steady stream of swords. win. Or, you could just get 2 swords and force his miners to retreat. if he tries to attack your miners garrison them. you now have 5 or so miners compared to his 3, with both forced inside. theres really nothing good that he can do with a spearton if you know how to manage your troops.

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early spearton is a joke:/ just sayin.

just garrison your miners for a bit while you keep buying swords.if one sword is about to die, garrison it. keep attacking with a steady stream of swords. win. Or, you could just get 2 swords and force his miners to retreat. if he tries to attack your miners garrison them. you now have 5 or so miners compared to his 3, with both forced inside. theres really nothing good that he can do with a spearton if you know how to manage your troops.

This^ lol early spear can be killed by crawler massing at start lol just sayin,or just go 3 swords XD

Against chaos they can get a juggernight. You probably don't have shield wall or bash, so it can kill it! Well, 4 swords can kill a spear, so get them if you suspect the spearton thing.

i havent done the early spearton thing in forever
i mean it will get you through the 1200s, maybe 1300s with luck
weird
i havent been on in like a week or 2

sword and archer start, when he gets a spearton, you might have a sword. 2 swords and an archer beats a spearton and will get the tower sooner which is an economy boost.

Spearton attacks swords, probably kills them both but will probably get finished by the archer. If it goes for the archer, it might get a hit or two in, but the kiting archer will continually deal damage and when the spear pauses to attack, the swords will also do some damage. Once the archer retreats into the castle, the spearton will be forced to attack either miners or swords, which will usually result in its death by the archer coming out. If it switches to attack the archer, bad move, archer goes right back into the castle and comes out once spear leaves.

Spearton start is kinda bad and unreliable. The only situation where I see it working is if the other person gets all miners, in which case you can rush his miners, or if he gets an archer and sword, but doesn't get another sword, and even then it could be kinda iffy since they can get another sword somewhat quickly once they see the spearton.

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sword and archer start, when he gets a spearton, you might have a sword. 2 swords and an archer beats a spearton and will get the tower sooner which is an economy boost.

Spearton attacks swords, probably kills them both but will probably get finished by the archer. If it goes for the archer, it might get a hit or two in, but the kiting archer will continually deal damage and when the spear pauses to attack, the swords will also do some damage. Once the archer retreats into the castle, the spearton will be forced to attack either miners or swords, which will usually result in its death by the archer coming out. If it switches to attack the archer, bad move, archer goes right back into the castle and comes out once spear leaves.

Spearton start is kinda bad and unreliable. The only situation where I see it working is if the other person gets all miners, in which case you can rush his miners, or if he gets an archer and sword, but doesn't get another sword, and even then it could be kinda iffy since they can get another sword somewhat quickly once they see the spearton.

or instead of leting your swords die, you can withdraw them and save them for later. then, whe the spearton is at 1/3 or lower health, send them out for a push to force him to retreat.

Spear start is helpful when they start with 2 Miners, wait for the first income, then get a Castle Archer. Spear camps outside Castle Archer's range and comes in if the Miners try to mine.

I never even thought of that- the swords harassing his eco while you build more miners and a castle archidon. You could destroy all of his miners and force him to forfeit.

I've played against the Spearton rush on short/medium maps, which I go archidon/swordwrath. I run for a decent amount, but once I get that second swordwrath I can hold my own and that third swordwrath pushes him off. If they try to run, they take several attacks off a swordwrath/archidon. After that, you can just harass him pretty hard and overall, it doesn't look like it works to me. If you don't go for any sort of army on a small map, then it's your own fault if you get owned by a spearton.