Idealistic Army Composition

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Jul 17, 2013 1:55 AM #1037701

What do you guys try to aim for mid-late game as your close mineral patches run out and you hit 80/80?

Personally Spearton/Albowtross/2 Merics/1 Magikill is a pretty solid build for me. Sometimes, I have a few Shadowrath mixed in for harassment purposes, but this is usually earlier game when I can actually harass. (Go into opponent's base, Shinobi 2, snipe a medic or miner, run out of there, meric heal).

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Jul 17, 2013 2:39 AM #1037761

There is no ideal army composition. My best advice is to get used to using each unit effectively and adapt on the fly.

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Jul 17, 2013 8:06 AM #1037964

on late games I always have at least 1 magikill, 1 meric and 1 shadowrath...

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Jul 17, 2013 2:03 PM #1038165

I usually get Spears and Archers,then tech up to Magikill and Giants late game.

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Aug 1, 2013 5:57 PM #1054600

Old thread I know, but it'd be interesting to know what the best possible army is for Order vs Order if thrown into any situation.
I'd assume you would want to be maxed out on gold and have enough mana to last you through the game and then murder all your miners to get more population availability.
This leaves you with 80 population points and an almost limitless supply of mana and gold (in theory-in an actual game you would be hard-pressed to make it happen).
Current Population: 0
Swordwrath-Magkill behind a wall would kill them quite easily. Mixed in with other units it is still too weak to do as much good as other units. Even with rage, it will be rather ineffective seeing as if you have to many, the enemy will just destroy them all, rendering any help ineffective. How many you want: 0
Current Population:0
Shadowrath-Helpful for destroying walls, clerics and magikill. Too weak to offer much other than support. How many you want:2-3
Current Population: 12
Albowtross-Ideally these shouldn't be put to much use if your army were to be better than theirs, which is the whole point of the thread. Their only bonus is that they can fly and do slightly more damage to armored units. This could probably be debated, but I'd say that Archidons kept out of a Magkill's range would prove much more effective. How many you want: 0
Current Population:12
Archidon-Able to out-range albows and can hide behind giants and Speartons effectively. Can also hit walls while staying out of a magkills damaging range. Poison Spray might hit them, but a few Merics with cure should heal them just fine. Unfortunately, a few Shadowrath or Speartons could tear them up horribly. Could still be used to bait units into a Magkill trap. How many you want: 6
Current Population: 24
Enslaved Giants: Huge meat shield capable of protecting more important units and killing any low level infantry from the enemy. Few weaknesses when used correctly. How many you want:2+Tower Spawn
Current Population: 38
Merics: Able to heal and cure units but easily assassinated or killed by other units. Can be protected somewhat behind a mass of speartons or giants making micro-killing them hard. How many you want: 3-4
Current Population: 50
Magikill: Capable of destroying any mass of units and poisoning heavies such as Giants. How many you want: 3 (Might seem excessive, but 2 up front to kill an infantry mass and 1 behind a wall at base in case the other two are assassinated and there is a spearton rush. Also, you should have enough time on most maps-6/11-to make a second magkill to defend against a thronging horde of spears.
Current Population: 65
Spearton: Capable of tanking lots of damage and stunning units who flee or charge your army, letting the Magikill destroy them with spells. Seeing as 5 is just the right number to stretch across the field with Shield wall... How many you want: 5
Current Population:80
Any revisions to the above? I think it all makes sense for Order vs Order.

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Aug 1, 2013 6:23 PM #1054626

Technically works, but given that you're throwing this straight into late game, Spear Albow defeats Spear Archer. Reason: Spears rush Archers, Archers kite, Albows kill enemy Spears. Spear Archer is more sound only because early-mid game you can basically harass their Miners to death and not let them get their Albows, but in a pure straight-up fight, Spear Albow overpowers Spear Archer. Realistically, you'd have the Spear Archer, but in your scenario, I would have only 1 Meric, 0 Archidons, and enough Albows to fill out the rest of the population.

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Aug 1, 2013 9:34 PM #1054802

Quote from merich1
Technically works, but given that you're throwing this straight into late game, Spear Albow defeats Spear Archer. Reason: Spears rush Archers, Archers kite, Albows kill enemy Spears. Spear Archer is more sound only because early-mid game you can basically harass their Miners to death and not let them get their Albows, but in a pure straight-up fight, Spear Albow overpowers Spear Archer. Realistically, you'd have the Spear Archer, but in your scenario, I would have only 1 Meric, 0 Archidons, and enough Albows to fill out the rest of the population.

I addressed the problem with Archidons in my previous post. If the speartons charge them, they will get stunned by a Spearton Wall and hit with spells. If they do manage to slip past, then you know where to aim with the spells yet again. With Speartons effectively neutralized, Giants, Magikill and Archidons can easily take any amount of Albows. Albowtross won't be able to hit the Archidons as they are being protected by Tank Units. And it's not so much of a straight-up fight really. You've got the units working together, which is why I'm going to stand by what I said. As for the only one Meric bit, could you explain? Also, you'd be down a pop. You would only get 79.

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Aug 1, 2013 10:56 PM #1054869

7 Shinobi- To cream enemy merics, mages, and giants.
1 fully grown giant- epic damage tanker
2/3 magikills- To fight archidon masses
Fill the rest of your population with albows. If the game goes late enough that you can sacrifice miners, get another giant and a meric.

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Aug 1, 2013 11:21 PM #1054896

Quote from 40fy
7 Shinobi- To cream enemy merics, mages, and giants.
1 fully grown giant- epic damage tanker
2/3 magikills- To fight archidon masses
Fill the rest of your population with albows. If the game goes late enough that you can sacrifice miners, get another giant and a meric.

Magikill with a few other units would eat this... horribly.

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Aug 1, 2013 11:37 PM #1054901

Quote from ForgottenUser
Magikill with a few other units would eat this... horribly.

Why this is not true:

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7 Shinobi- To cream enemy merics, mages, and giants.

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Aug 2, 2013 12:13 AM #1054914

Lol. Not to mention that you cant say what other units.

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Aug 2, 2013 2:24 AM #1055032

Quote from 40fy
Lol. Not to mention that you cant say what other units.

Honestly, My previously stated army would work if modified just slightly. Instead of 1 Magikill behind a wall/hiding, have 3. My Shinobi Assassinate your meric and 2 of your Magikill. Your Shinobi would obviously murder my poor Magikill, but not before he poison sprays yours. I'd go ahead and say it's safe to assume your Albowtross are basically a goner at this point. If you're good enough at micro to move them away, which you probably are, another magikill comes and poisons your Shinobi. With no meric to cure, they are forced to garrison. Other Magikill come out and pressure your Albowtross. Speartons can keep the giant from doing much to the rest of the units.
Painful? Yes
Unstoppable: No
Unless I missed something? In which case I'd like to hear it. I am probably not at your level yet.

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Aug 3, 2013 2:29 AM #1055871

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I addressed the problem with Archidons in my previous post. If the speartons charge them, they will get stunned by a Spearton Wall and hit with spells. If they do manage to slip past, then you know where to aim with the spells yet again. With Speartons effectively neutralized, Giants, Magikill and Archidons can easily take any amount of Albows. Albowtross won't be able to hit the Archidons as they are being protected by Tank Units. And it's not so much of a straight-up fight really. You've got the units working together, which is why I'm going to stand by what I said. As for the only one Meric bit, could you explain? Also, you'd be down a pop. You would only get 79.

1. I'd have my Shinobi II Shadows in to assassinate your Magikill. No more spells for you.
2. I only get 1 Meric because I want that extra population.
3. I meant the same army as you, except 1 Meric instead of 3-4, 0 Archidons instead of 6, and enough Albows to fill out the rest of the population instead of 0. Guess that wasn't exactly made clear...
4. Spearton Wall is rendered useless with Magikill Wall. In fact, it actually works against you. I'd just cast Electric Wall, wait for you to move out of Spearton Wall, then charge.
5. I'm good with theorycraft, but terrible in the actual game, because my micro is seriously bad.

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Aug 3, 2013 2:39 AM #1055883

Quote from 40fy
7 Shinobi- To cream enemy merics, mages, and giants.
1 fully grown giant- epic damage tanker
2/3 magikills- To fight archidon masses
Fill the rest of your population with albows. If the game goes late enough that you can sacrifice miners, get another giant and a meric.

If someone turtled well enough, they could hide mages behind walls, wasting your shinobi to assassinate the walls. Now, granted, you might be able to save 5 shinobi uses, but if they stay near their castle, the mages could poison all your ninjas as they approach the statue to attach it. Castle Archer would either target ninjas (damaging them quite a bit) or the giant. Now for the rest of my army, if I do something similar with 2 giants and the rest as albows, I think the chance of your giant falling first is fairly high, at which point I might have one giant left (if you shinobi one giant until it dies) which will tank against my albows, allowing a few volleys to thin your albow numbers giving me range superiority to finally kill all your albows. Also, I must note if you waste all your shinobi on one of my giants, my mage (s) can come out, cast an electric wall on self to defend against ninjas and proceed to decimate an army with spells.

This of course relies on EPIC turtling to be able to survive to make it to this point. But ninjas are somewhat expensive and population heavy. Early game, what is to stop someone from harassing and preventing you from building this army with archers? The instant they see multiple ninjas, they can shift to semi-turtle to defend mages and build their own ninjas if they begin to see your magikill.

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Aug 3, 2013 4:12 AM #1055978

But this isn't a strategy page- its idealistic army compositions.