I'm not just saying this, but chaos really does seem a bit overpowered. I stay around rank 1700 because every chaos fight, almost EVERY SINGLE ONE I lose. Someone that really knows what they're doing with chaos has no problem at all beating order every single time. You can't rush with swordwraths because their bombers will molest you, you cant really use archer too well because bombers + crawlers can take them out even if your good at macro. If you try to camp and build your econ, that doesn't work because they're later units are pretty much stronger all together than yours. The ONLY chance you seriously have is if they mess up pretty badly or just don't know how to use chaos yet. I've brought this up before and seen other people do it as well and people will just say "its not overpowered you just have to furiously rush them early on." Even though that BARELY works, wheres the fun in having to do the same thing towards chaos every time to stand a chance? I'd love to be able to actually have a full out battle and not get wrecked every single time I fight chaos. Even seriously bad players can be up in the 1800s with it. I mean seriously. Post a link where someone using chaos KNEW WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY DOING and you still won using order. Good luck.

Its hard to separate swords and a lot of times you can't in time.

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Its hard to separate swords and a lot of times you can't in time.

The game is hard. The only way to get better is to get past those challenges. Watch the top replays and see how the pros do it, how they move their swords. There are plenty of tricks you can pick up. Also, keep an eye on the minimap to know when more enemy units are coming, that should give you a slight heads up in the case of more bombers.

O.O Eh Wha?...

Chaos OP?...Tbh we are actually looking for ways to buff chaos, I don't understand how you can see chaos as OP :O

However, you got to focus on the sword-splitting micro, then tec(ness lock this) up to better tier units to win ;)

You'll do fine, just train and never give up :)

Chaos OP after patch 1.64?

Hahahaha!

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Chaos OP after patch 1.64?

Hahahaha!

What happened? Bomber nerf?

And Buddy is right, split your swordwraths, learn more swordwrath micro!

Considering Chaos absolutely die and bombers when microed badly is a really bad trade-off for Chaos... >.>

Also. econ harras in early game.

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I'm not just saying this, but chaos really does seem a bit overpowered. I stay around rank 1700 because every chaos fight, almost EVERY SINGLE ONE I lose. Someone that really knows what they're doing with chaos has no problem at all beating order every single time. You can't rush with swordwraths because their bombers will molest you, you cant really use archer too well because bombers + crawlers can take them out even if your good at macro. If you try to camp and build your econ, that doesn't work because they're later units are pretty much stronger all together than yours. The ONLY chance you seriously have is if they mess up pretty badly or just don't know how to use chaos yet. I've brought this up before and seen other people do it as well and people will just say "its not overpowered you just have to furiously rush them early on." Even though that BARELY works, wheres the fun in having to do the same thing towards chaos every time to stand a chance? I'd love to be able to actually have a full out battle and not get wrecked every single time I fight chaos. Even seriously bad players can be up in the 1800s with it. I mean seriously. Post a link where someone using chaos KNEW WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY DOING and you still won using order. Good luck.

Look up WyzDM's vids at YT Vs KFCJ.
Also look at Montage 3, and at the point when he fights Spartanspush. I know he was having a bad time. In fact. I think if he pushed a little more, his opponent would've won.

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Its hard to separate swords and a lot of times you can't in time.

I just split them in half, they move in rows, if I have one row I select 3 and move them back a bit. It reduces your losses greatly. If you really want to screw bombers up, a wall stops bombers dead in their tracks until they get higher tier units, but a wall isn't going to cut it early game.

To fight Chaos, you have three options, in order of effectiveness (from my experience trying them) they are:

Rage Swords
Sword + Archer
Turtle

Rage swords requires you to micro and seperate, in which one screw up can make you lose the game. I still prefer this, since it is more powerful when spliting properly. The rage swords seperate at the sight of bombers and when the bombers are gone, THEN they activate rage. If you activate rage before the bombers detonate, your swords have lower health and more will be killed by the explosions. After the bombers are gone, I rush their crawlers or miners (depending on what they have) and on short maps, don't worry about the castle dead. One sword to block it or just rush in and garrison when your work is done or whatever.

Sword and Archer comes out quickly and by the time you have sword and archer, they will have 2 bombers, or a crawler with another queuing up. Kite the bombers (since they will inevitably go for the archer) and if you kite well you should be able to take out one, maybe two depending on when you started kiting, but usually one bomber for me. A crawler is even easier, forward kiting and then when they get to their castle, sword could go for crawler (keep it away from archer) while the archer shoots away at the miners. I don't use this often, since I mainly opt for rage swords as the bulk of my anti-Chaos force early game and mid-game.

Now a turtle, I used this twice and failed both times, but I lasted a bit. Ask a turtler for more info, I'm horrible at turtling.

*think you meant sword mass, not rage swords.

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Its hard to separate swords and a lot of times you can't in time.

Then learn to do it.... the world is hard, if you let it be, but you can change it... ^^ gl

This thread makes me laugh.

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To fight Chaos, you have three options, in order of effectiveness (from my experience trying them) they are:

Rage Swords
Sword + Archer
Turtle

In response to this, for the most part rageswords are a bad idea against chaos. From experience its a lot harder to deal with normal swordmass than it is to deal with rageswordmass.

Chaos is UP Why?

Crawler and swordwrath, swordwrath win while there JUST 25 more gold. It would take 3 crawlers to kill 1 swordwrath.

Ranged units: Deads and archers. dead will win but they cost mana which you don't have in early game

first spellcasters: Marrowkai and magikill: magikill is better

Second spellcasters: meric and medusa, medusa better

tank units: spearton, juggernight. Same

Special units: bomber, shadowrath. Bombers are useless if opponent separate. Shadowrath is a good killing machine against chaos.

Flying units: eclipsor is faster, and cheaper but albow is stronger.

OVERALL: chaos is WAY UP on short maps in beginning but tied in middle: Long: Chaos is a little up. Medium: chaos is reasonably up