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No.

I second this

Lets all put clothes on ourbstickmen and some hair and make them fatter. Then call it fullbody.

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Well we were/are supposed to have a portal. This website was more popular when we did. When we lost the portal that's when all of those other websites began to pop up. It ma have happened before considering our portal sucked.

A lot of people didn't like the crowd around the general sections and a lot of the elitist animators back in the day. Regardless of being at SL, TAP, or FA, they always came crawling back to us for the money :)

Just want to say that pretty much none of the websites that you listed stemmed from stickpage.

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Lets all put clothes on ourbstickmen and some hair and make them fatter. Then call it fullbody.

Don't forget the facial features and accessories. You gotta have those facial features and accessories.
Edit: I don't think I came off like that was my point, Jeff, as it certainly wasn't. I couldn't say that because I dind't really get into this site until very late 2006 before we got this forum, so I wouldn't be confident at all telling you what I had for breakfast a week ago, let alone how multiple website came into existence years ago.

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You can't also discount the fact that the place was crafted and created by Alumnus of the Stick Animation scene. And the fact that Stick Animation while detestable in itself if done alone, is nevertheless necessary to understand Fullbody. It's essential. There will always be Stick Animations in a place that promises NewGround-esque animations. The question is, how much will the Dojo crowd tolerate it or see it as. As I recall Newgrounds sort of frowns on that thing right?

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You can't also discount the fact that the place was crafted and created by Alumnus of the Stick Animation scene. And the fact that Stick Animation while detestable in itself if done alone, is nevertheless necessary to understand Fullbody. It's essential. There will always be Stick Animations in a place that promises NewGround-esque animations. The question is, how much will the Dojo crowd tolerate it or see it as. As I recall Newgrounds sort of frowns on that thing right?

Less frowns, more like absolutely despises
although the newgrounds peoples aren't known for their jolly demeanor

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You can't also discount the fact that the place was crafted and created by Alumnus of the Stick Animation scene. And the fact that Stick Animation while detestable in itself if done alone, is nevertheless necessary to understand Fullbody. It's essential. There will always be Stick Animations in a place that promises NewGround-esque animations. The question is, how much will the Dojo crowd tolerate it or see it as. As I recall Newgrounds sort of frowns on that thing right?

I'm pretty sure they do. Usually whenever I read comments on a stick animation over at NG people will take off points for it being a stick figure animation. It makes sense to me and it doesn't. I think they're good animations in the sense of style, but in a long term serious animation viewpoint it seems like a waste of time if that's all you do when you want to do bigger things with animation. I don't think a stick figure animation can be compared to a full body animation, but I've seen several stick figure animations that I would put in my top ten favorite animations of all time.

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Stick Animation while detestable in itself if done alone, is nevertheless necessary to understand Fullbody. It's essential.

This is simply not true. At least, not in the context you seem to be using. The way people animate sticks is anatomically incorrect, and it's a very cheap form of animation that ditches a LOT to focus on speed of animation. I would even go so far as to say people who begin with stick animation without considering the future are at a detriment, as more often than not I find that when they do move on they have a hard time with things like perspective and posing. This is basically like saying that Pivot is essential to understand Flash.

Oh alright then. I dont know. That is just the impression I got from lurking similar Stick Animation sites. Thanks for clearing that up Jeff.

Gimme Props

Stick animation is only helpful in so far as the extreme basics. You can use it as a means to easily practice easing, anticipation, weight, and force with quick results. It can also be useful for those who are interested in animating, but lack drawing skills. The problem arises when they put off learning how to actually draw, and decide not to move on to more advanced concepts in animating. Once the student begins spending too much time trying to perfect their stick animations, and forgets why they began doing them in the first place, it can become detrimental to their progress as an animator and artist.

Jeff and Hewitt were both right in some aspects. Although I think it's best to skip the stick animating phase if at all possible, because you'll just end up better for it in the long run. You won't be tempted to remain mired in the laziness that can be brought on by animating sticks solely. While it is helpful and hurtful, the factor that truly hurts the creator is himself. Sticks are fine, but when the artist refuses to move on, then they can never succeed.

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This is simply not true. At least, not in the context you seem to be using. The way people animate sticks is anatomically incorrect, and it's a very cheap form of animation that ditches a LOT to focus on speed of animation. I would even go so far as to say people who begin with stick animation without considering the future are at a detriment, as more often than not I find that when they do move on they have a hard time with things like perspective and posing. This is basically like saying that Pivot is essential to understand Flash.

I agree. However I think starting with pivot is a great way to start in the sense of stick figure animation so you can sort of get the feel for 2-D movements without having to worry about all of the resizing and trying to learn how to use flash as pivot is a simple program. I think aniamting Stick Figures is a good way to start animating, especially if you make more detailed stick figure animations. I animate full body and stick figures in two different styles though, so I guess it really depends on what the animator wants out of animating stick figures. Personally I feel like while animating stick figures, people need to work on artwork as well rather than using white backgrounds. Regardless of how good you are at aniamting a stick figure, if you lack the ability to draw then full body is going to come as a whole new challenge. The way I see it, starting with stick figures is like starting with training wheels, but you have to have a goo idea on the direction that you want to go with it. Starting straight with art and full body in my opinion is a longer process but you sort of learn everything as you go.

Sorry Arch, I beat you to it. Yours is differing in some points, but it's nice to see we overall agree.

I don't think anyone was saying it's not helpful at all, I was saying that it's not true that it's necessary or essential. People who animate don't NEED to start with stick figures at all, but getting into it as a beginner is definitely helpful in some aspects.

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I don't think anyone was saying it's not helpful at all, I was saying that it's not true that it's necessary or essential. People who animate don't NEED to start with stick figures at all, but getting into it as a beginner is definitely helpful in some aspects.

Yup, that's exactly what I meant. :)

Hyun's Dojo is clearly just an elaborate scheme by Miccool to get his admin position back.