Muay Thai lee sin vs Knockout Lee sin.. That would be fun.
Does that mean that you can possibly steal dragon using Ekko's ultimate?

you world have to be in the pit 3 seconds before you steal it right

WELL paint me red and slap me silly, the new patch made the shop hella smooth now, no lag at all. noice

ANOTHER OP ASSASSIN.
Exactly what I wanted. Ok yes this guy is gonna be a motherfucker to balance just like zed and yasuo at release. I'm loving the play style though, so much potential. I'm gonna buy this guy as soon as possible.

I honestly had hoped he would be a bruiser.
I learned when I got smacked in the face and instakilled.

Dat ashe rework doe

But.. it is already on the live servers

So what do you guys think Bard will be like? Seems like an interesting fun approach to the support role; good in teamfights too

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So what do you guys think Bard will be like? Seems like an interesting fun approach to the support role; good in teamfights too

wat?

Bard is released, and the general consensus is that he blows.

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I'd like the Ashe rework as soon as possible, she is the only ADC in my small pool of heroes and I have trouble dealing a lot of damage as fast I can before being killed first.

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So what do you guys think Bard will be like? Seems like an interesting fun approach to the support role; good in teamfights too

Planet Earth calling for people who still think that there is no such thing as a river monster...

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wat?

Bard is released, and the general consensus is that he blows.

People don't understand how you need to wait a bit until his shrine thingy gets bigger for the heal to get better.

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People don't understand how you need to wait a bit until his shrine thingy gets bigger for the heal to get better.

yeah man.

The way I see it is like this.
There's three main reasons bard blows.
1: Players don't understand how to play him (high skill roof and counter-intuitive play style for the meta)
2: Teammates don't understand how to play with him (Unorthodox support and counter-intuitive play style for the meta)
3: His kit is a bit too weak right now.

When it comes to bards actual support ability, he's outclassed. He's not that bulky, his heals aren't that big "unless the shrines proc" and his CC is so skill heavy that it can either fuck the enemy team or fuck your own team. He's unique and he has a lot of interesting stuff he can do, but he's very difficult to learn and even people that have a good grasp on him admit he's weak.

Meanwhile even other high skill roof support champs, like Lulu, trounce him in usability.

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yeah man.

The way I see it is like this.
There's three main reasons bard blows.
1: Players don't understand how to play him (high skill roof and counter-intuitive play style for the meta)
2: Teammates don't understand how to play with him (Unorthodox support and counter-intuitive play style for the meta)
3: His kit is a bit too weak right now.

When it comes to bards actual support ability, he's outclassed. He's not that bulky, his heals aren't that big "unless the shrines proc" and his CC is so skill heavy that it can either fuck the enemy team or fuck your own team. He's unique and he has a lot of interesting stuff he can do, but he's very difficult to learn and even people that have a good grasp on him admit he's weak.

Meanwhile even other high skill roof support champs, like Lulu, trounce him in usability.

I don't think it is about people not knowing how to play him (or with him) or about his kit. I think it is more about communication, something that lacks in solo queue
Bard is extremely team-dependent: his kit focuses ONLY (not mainly, only) on utility and he needs to properly communicate with his team to actually pull it off

For examples, the fact that he roams gives him some things that other supports do not have
-Map control (at least the bot lane)
-Ready heals for jungler and possibility to help him with bot camps
-No mana/exp problems
-Possibility to perform double-ganks by bringing the jungler with him or set up his long-range stasis for some fancy combos
All of these are however possible only if he actually has someone who can dish the damage for him and most importantly if they can get themselves ready for that he's about to do
Even if I admit that if they were to buff his damage and a lil slightly his heals he's be more enjoyable (and successful) to play

-Map control
I don't know man, early game you're risking getting caught out in their jungle and you simply can't leave lane if it's pushed. It sounds easy when you just say "Go into their jungle and collect charms," but in reality it's a lot riskier than that against coordinated teams.
-Ready heals for jungler and possibility to help him with bot camps
I agree with that, but no one picks junglers that can't handle themselves against the camps.
-No mana/exp problems
That's a flat out lie, bard will run out of mana hella bad if he can't collect charms and if he spends too much time away from lane, he'll fall behind in exp. Actually bard is pretty useless when he's behind.
-Possibility to perform double ganks
Yeah that's pretty rad, magical journey is baller if used properly

I think what you said about team communication actually factors into whether the player or their teammates actually understand how to play him or with him. But team communication obviously isn't the main reason, otherwise you would see a lot more bard in LCS play, because in LCS communication is no issue.
The fact is, he's kind of weak sauce.

What do you mean by high skill roof champs? Champs that's hard to use/needs high skill?

But yeah I agree with you guys. But if you buff his damage I think he'll be played AP instead. I think reducing the cooldowns on his abilities/lowering mana costs on his shrine/reducing the cooldown on his skills might work. Q cd is decent, but his shrine and magical journey takes way too long and use too much mana. Son't think roaming is that worth too.