http://stickempires-rts.wikia.com/wiki/Stick_Empires_Wiki - New wiki!

ALL THIS IS AT THE CURRENT TIME OF POSTING. HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THE WIKI/FORUMS UP TO SHAPE - (SO EXAMPLES POSTED HERE MIGHT BECOME OUTDATED)

So, this is a big issue that is about the decline of the quality of posts in the SE Forums and also the information given within the SE Wiki. I want to address this right now because these two things are linked from the game and the fact that they are useless resources right now will mislead newer players and show our community in a bad light as a whole.

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The SE Wiki is supposed to give information, strategy, help and an overview of Stick Empires, or something along the lines of that. The problem we face right now is it's more like a fannon site to post your fanfic about each unit and make some ghastly polls. One of the things I notice is the lack of consistency between pages of a category, for example, units. Take a look at a few examples:

Swordwrath
Meric

No unit stats at all. Not even stating cost. It's filled up with a whole load of fanfiction that was made up by someone. I appreciate the enthusiasm, but...no hard statistics? Just a story by someone in a whimsical mood?

Spearton

All the stats are here, which is cool. Damage IMO needs something to compare with to mean something, but it's a minor hitch. Again with the fanfic, but the problem I find with it is how inaccurate the things are. The story about one spearton + five swordwraths VS two juggers and one dead and saying they were clearly outmatched...the speartons and swordwraths would win. 3 swordwraths can beat one jugger and deads die fast to melee units. I know it's just a story, but yeah. Not to mention the fact that a spear's weakness is listed as "A Spearton retreating would not heed a problem, since they are slow". Which is why spears are faster than swords, archers, merics, mages, giants, albows and miners right? Against Chaos, they are faster than giants, medusas, marrows, deads and match juggers. So much for "slow".

Albowtross

Stats again, but it's in a different location from the first one. Again, words like "fast/slow/high/low" don't mean much without something being compared to. I would suggest something like 1/5th bar of health or something, then a different number with blazing bolts. Doesn't list its armored either, and spelling mistakes litter the place.

Not only this, but the toolbar showing the unit quicklinks are only present on one page out of those four, the swordwrath page. The lack of consistency makes navigation hard, is annoying to get any actual information off and looks unprofessional.

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Around the whole wiki there's spelling mistakes...front page "Whintson Zhang". Things like Free Chaos Empire Petition! featuring things like COME ON GUYS VOTE FOR CHAOS ... FREE.... IN STICK EMPIRE OR STICK WAR 2! and IF 100 OR MORE VOTES WE WOULD SUBMIT IT TO CRAZY JAY. It's a joke, like 100 votes from a petition that looks like it was done by some 7 year old wishing he had chaos will totally influence the developers decision.

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Now for the "Strategy" section of the wiki.

Strategy

Oh hey, it's been editted to feature some sort of SS-Zone.Net (looks like a virus site or something unrelated to SE so...). Besides that edit which hasn't been removed at the time of the posting, the strategies there are mostly old, outdated, or just not viable at all. Many nerfs and buffs such as Sword/Archer cost changes, Giant upgrade nerfs, air unit queue times increased by 4s and so on makes 95% of these strategies unusable at all, if they were even viable in the first place. They might have been cleaned up every now and then, but I personally think what we need to do is to clear the whole strategy section. This way, any strategies added we know are up-to-date. In addition, strategies should have a patch number written next to them to determine whether they are still viable (i.e. a patch after the one listed makes it obsolete).

Adding to that, the admin criteria is ridiculous, edit some pages and you're made admin. Admins arguing with other admins is plain stupid and shows the lack of cohesion there.

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As for the SE Strategy Forums, currently it's 75% full of newer players who are posting their strategies and arguing with other people, 15% of players that are smart and have fair posts but don't have the skill level to back it up (I don't mean this as an insult, it's like a 1300 who makes smart posts but doesn't have the experience and the skill with say, the power of archers because people don't kite in 1300s.) and then a further 10% that are decent players but are being overwhelmed by the massive amount of amateurs meaning they can't be stuffed. Point: Gee, I wonder why most Top 100 players aren't bothering to post in the strategy section but are maintaining a presence in threads such as update/patch threads.

I'm not mentioning any names, but the problem is, if noobs make threads, they mislead other newer players with them, and often start an argument because they are self-assured, generally. If pros make threads, all the noobs will screw it all over and they just can't be stuffed cleaning it all up. (I'm tempted to just give up SP forums and just stick to TZ forums... :/)

SW1/SW2 forums are basically dead. Nothing to say there really.

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The wiki and the forum has screwed up information. It misleads newer players YET IS LINKED TO at the game...

The quality of the SE wiki is really low. I think we should all join arms and fix the issue.
Also, let's appoint some moderators for the wiki. Ban the trolls.

Quote from _Ai_

The quality of the SE wiki is really low. I think we should all join arms and fix the issue.
Also, let's appoint some moderators for the wiki. Ban the trolls.

1) Get into IRC nub :P
2) lol admins on the wiki are a joke. I would dearly love to make a huge rant post against 90% of them.

Quote from DragonArcherZ

1) Get into IRC nub :P
2) lol admins on the wiki are a joke. I would dearly love to make a huge rant post against 90% of them.

Yeah DAZ that's true that most admins in the wiki is a joke. The reason is most of the useful admins are all gone, including me. I'm saying that I quit from SE wiki because the activities are all squeezing to me and I edit a lot of em long ago because I'm free(specifically I'm participating damn less of activities). And if you all would like to reformat the wiki, message and I'll give you the ability to do so.

Get into the IRC bladed. :)

I edited bits of the wiki a while ago, but then forgot about it. I suppose I could try to get some stats on the Order units, possibly some of the Chaos units. Although, the only definitive stat is health. We don't have exact numbers for damage or speed. There could be a speed chart that lists units from say slowest to fastest, but that's the best we're getting.

After reading this, I'll go add some basic stats I suppose. Do my part.

EDIT: It appears the Swordwrath page is locked. Also I can't remember the training times of almost every unit.

It seems the swordwrath page has soooo much trolls saying stuff such as '1 swordwrath can kill 7 archers with losing some health' and 'it takes atleast 15 crawlers with pack mentality to kill a swordwrath'.

Yea, who the hell is the owner of the wiki so I can punch them in the face for these stupid admins and bad pages?

EDIT: Should I also remind everyone that wikis should be unbiased, neutral viewpoints that should try to have only facts.

EDIT 2: Modified 13 pages to be better. Marked one for deletion by removing all content in it. It was a fan-fiction page for the backstory of Juggerknights if you were wondering.

List of my contributions: Click here!
Page marked for deletion: Click this!

Well, I got made by Bladed as an admin.

1) I can edit things like front page now, so that's cool.
2) I hate this label of admin because wiki admins have a bad name.
3) Shows you how crappy the admin criteria is if I can just jump into the wiki like this.
4) There's only one active admin according to Bladed, simsim40, but...go figure.

Oh, and apparently TheJuiceBox or w/e comes on just to give bans (he owns the wiki?)

Lastly, deleted the page, and I think I unlocked the swordwrath page. Also, if I removed every single thing in the strategy page, would you guys be alright with that? A lot of the stuff is outdated; and this way we have a nice basis when we start again; each person has to write the patch number.

You guys do know, anyone can edit it, right? So instead of complaining about how bad the information is on it, why not do something about it? (If I recall, you have to make an account)

Quote from Tecness2

You guys do know, anyone can edit it, right? So instead of complaining about how bad the information is on it, why not do something about it? (If I recall, you have to make an account)

Did you even read the thread? That's what he's suggesting we do. Besides that most of the pages on the wiki are locked and can't be improved

Remember to mark pages that should be deleted with {{delete}}

Quote from m0ntana

I suggest you lock all posts, so only specific people can add/take away information. The BG and banner quality looks terrible :/
I think you should make a new forums, or revise the current one a lot.

Honestly I wish I could just clear all of it and just make a new wiki so we start on a clean slate, but:

1) In a couple months I predict that we'll have the same result. Admins will start quitting or whatever and this mess could get started again. Even though the admins right now can't even play SE well and have no criteria, and we could probably do better, it could happen.
2) The game links to that wiki.
3) Would people be pissed that any enthusiasm in fannon they put in was all cleared?
4) I've never really editted a wikia before, so while I know some formatting and so on I don't know my way around easily. Simsim40 called the Forums "The Council Of Inamorta", how bad can you get :/

I think I'll end up deleting the forums though.

Quote from DragonArcherZ

Honestly I wish I could just clear all of it and just make a new wiki so we start on a clean slate, but:

1) In a couple months I predict that we'll have the same result. Admins will start quitting or whatever and this mess could get started again. Even though the admins right now can't even play SE well and have no criteria, and we could probably do better, it could happen.
2) The game links to that wiki.
3) Would people be pissed that any enthusiasm in fannon they put in was all cleared?
4) I've never really editted a wikia before, so while I know some formatting and so on I don't know my way around easily. Simsim40 called the Forums "The Council Of Inamorta", how bad can you get :/

I think I'll end up deleting the forums though.

If you make a new good wiki, with good formatting, and all that good stuff. I can get the link in game changed.