You should try to kill the V while it is controlling another unit. Use 1 or 2 shadowrath to kill the V, so it will either die and do some damage to your army, or live but be useless.

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Order is the weakest empire because it doesn't have anything special to attack the enemy.

Shadowrath are among the fastest units in the game, have stealth capabilities and instant high-damage with poison. Use them to assassinate a V while it is controlling, get two in case the V decides to control your Shadowrath.

Just a few tips:

1) Either keep the magikill a couple paces back from the main army (so the magikill arrives slightly later when spells are cast, this is very useful against all races - Shadowrath, Medusa, if they waste their insta-kill on a mundane unit, your mage arrives and can cast the spells it needs) or just DON'T make one at all.

2) Shadowrath. They are death to Treatures, Infernos (though they don't see too much play, Dragon is one of the worst spells in the game currently at high ranks, I imagine it'd be pretty OP at lower ranks because their micro isn't as sharp - getting hit by the spell sucks) and V.

I also feel like Order is the weakest empire [/QUOTE]

hell no!

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I also feel like Order is the weakest empire

hell no![/QUOTE]

lol this

gam35, while pay to winners dislike it, the toplist makes it clear, that order is the weakest empire. Since Ee's introduction, there are almost zero order players left in the top 30. Many players who used to be relatively high rank order all went premium a few weeks after EE's introduction, since there ranks were bombing because order was already at a disadvantage in both match sets with the bomber upgrade for chaos and the shortfield advantages chaos has over order in DM that are pretty substantial.

But say these obvious things and you will be shouted down by people who don't seem to see the simple math, toplist results, and the like...

I will give this advice

Giant + magkill + ninjas would be the perfect combination that no elemental players can beat

and for me, 5-6 ninajs are necessary for order, because 4 can kill a tree, 2 can kill a V
V cannot control anything with those ninjas, because it will get killed by ninja if he controls units

if V controls Giant, ninja kill, if V controls magkill, also ninja kill, if V controls ninja, then use others ninjas to kill follow by magkill poison spray

once this combination is built, elemental player can only surrender

another perfect combination would be ninja+albows

Never make giants to fight against elemental

I suggest Order's strongest combination, shadlbow (albowtross+shadowrath), make sure you make enough numbers before you attack, use numbers to strengthen your army

Sorrow post

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More seriously, against Elementals, V can't do anything vs a couple shadowrath. Set-up an order deathball against Elementals and you've got it down. Elementals just has trees which are way too good, the rest of the units are sorta meh~.

The only map you can viably set up a deathball is Grass Hills though, and that's only if you're a good turtle. It works in theory but not in practice (excluding GH). I think we all know just how bad trees are.

Not to be a buddylucky or a sorrowandsadness but I can agree that trees are op.

Trick with elementals (and chaos in the same respect): Don't try to grab a magikil or giant for your front line. Vs/Medusas/Marrowkai will take care of that. Use solid army macro with more spears and archidons. Tag a couple ninjas if you want to rid of their support units.

Only exception to this is if you can manage more than 1 of each, so have some security. I find it easier to just go at it with my army and clean things up.

For the first time I'm actually having a problem with Vs myself.

In one OvE game, my opponent massed V and spammed V clones. I know I can dispatch a V with just lvl 2 shinobi, but the huge problem is all the real V camped right in front of the castle gates, so they can garrison in no time. Anyone thought up a solution to this?

And no I did not lose to V clone mass; he lagged out (thank god that match was getting pointless anyways.)

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For the first time I'm actually having a problem with Vs myself.

In one OvE game, my opponent massed V and spammed V clones. I know I can dispatch a V with just lvl 2 shinobi, but the huge problem is all the real V camped right in front of the castle gates, so they can garrison in no time. Anyone thought up a solution to this?

And no I did not lose to V clone mass; he lagged out (thank god that match was getting pointless anyways.)

lol
since you fought him, how is it to fight a V's spam?
I'm curious :)

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lol
since you fought him, how is it to fight a V's spam?
I'm curious :)

Annoying. >;/

I started massing in Albows as he pointlessly spammed in V clone. Shortly he made a Cycloid to kill my albow, but clearly with kiting, not a single albow of mine died. -.-
Right when I reached enough gold and mana to upgrade to tower lvl 2, I decided not to, because he would just mind control the tower enslaved giant.

I wasn't able to think up any way to defeat him because he had max castle archer (and Elemental CA are deadly,) and any unit I send in would either be mind controlled or get killed by CA. idk why but I didn't wanna risk either one.

Now that I think about it, I should've upgraded to Tower 2 and use the tower giant as a bait to lure out a V, so I could shinobi it.
I could've also send my mage and meric as bait and... well pretty much do the same thing as above.
Yes I massed meric and magikill a little bit. :I