i always use the same opening strategy for order but it seems to never work
I need new ideas for new opening strategies
best starts
Started by: butterbro | Replies: 33 | Views: 3,600
Mar 12, 2014 9:01 PM #1174510
Mar 12, 2014 10:39 PM #1174537
Generally, for Order against Order you can go with one of the following, in my order of preference:
Swordwrath + Archidon
Good offence to take the centre and harass if you can. Usually preferable for shorter maps.
Archidon + Miner
Decent offence while still getting a decent economy. Usually preferable for longer maps.
2 Swordwrath + Miner
Decent offence, decent economy, less micro needed compared to Archidon + Miner, so easier to use, but less effective. More useful on shorter maps.
Swordwrath + 2 Miners
Same as 2 Swordwrath + Miner but with more economy than army.
Double Archer
Very unreliable and rarely works well, but when it does, I think it is fantastic. You can start with two Archidons by using the second gold batch from your miners for a second archer. Probably more effective on a long map like Grass Hills.
Swordwrath + Archidon
Good offence to take the centre and harass if you can. Usually preferable for shorter maps.
Archidon + Miner
Decent offence while still getting a decent economy. Usually preferable for longer maps.
2 Swordwrath + Miner
Decent offence, decent economy, less micro needed compared to Archidon + Miner, so easier to use, but less effective. More useful on shorter maps.
Swordwrath + 2 Miners
Same as 2 Swordwrath + Miner but with more economy than army.
Double Archer
Very unreliable and rarely works well, but when it does, I think it is fantastic. You can start with two Archidons by using the second gold batch from your miners for a second archer. Probably more effective on a long map like Grass Hills.
Mar 12, 2014 11:29 PM #1174551
Mind putting a map size on those?
Mar 13, 2014 12:33 AM #1174573
I would like to add 1 sword 2 miner to FaF's post. A bit more advanced Eco than army.
Mar 13, 2014 2:05 AM #1174611
Added map sizes and Sword + 2 Miners
Mar 13, 2014 2:10 AM #1174620
Archer/Miner best on longer maps? LOL
Mar 13, 2014 2:16 AM #1174624
I said preferable. That's where I generally use it since I have a ridiculous amount of room to kite on Grass Hills. Usually long enough to get a sword after a miner.
Mar 13, 2014 3:00 AM #1174632
If it's GH you DON'T want to be starting Miner/Archer because you need economy for a long game and it's easy to do that there. Unless you have gosu 2400 level micro I wouldn't recommend it, and even then I would only recommend it when sandbagging vs a 1900
Mar 13, 2014 1:16 PM #1174831
Never use 2 sw/1 miner start on short maps. One archidon easily punishes that.
Mar 13, 2014 8:30 PM #1175057
On medium maps, which start is the best? I usually go miner-archer, but sometimes my opponent goes miner/miner/sword, then keeps pushing my archer back with his swords, and eventually wins because of a better economy.
Mar 13, 2014 11:58 PM #1175110
Quote from WyzDMNever use 2 sw/1 miner start on short maps. One archidon easily punishes that.
I've gotten away with it plenty of times (on castle). Just get castle archer and then max out your army to steal the tower. Play me on castle and I'll show you.
Mar 14, 2014 12:03 AM #1175112
Quote from SaegonI've gotten away with it plenty of times (on castle). Just get castle archer and then max out your army to steal the tower. Play me on castle and I'll show you.
Then you will fall behind in economy, or the opponent will get tower because he has more army (you wasted 300 gold on a castle archer).
Mar 14, 2014 12:26 AM #1175117
Quote from SaegonI've gotten away with it plenty of times (on castle). Just get castle archer and then max out your army to steal the tower. Play me on castle and I'll show you.
I don't think you realize who you're talking to LOL
But yeah, swords only isn't a good way to go. You'll get punished by archidon pressure and as soon as you go CA there you will be behind in army and eco, which leaves the other player who holds the tower and can pump out miners quicker in the lead. From there the player with the tower just needs spears to close the game.
Mar 15, 2014 4:23 AM #1175599
I thought all swords was the best way to go on castle; I got killed by it and I killed using it many times before, since archer pressure only lasts as long as you don't have rage.
So whoever uses all swords just has to find a way to stall the enemy for a minute, and then he's golden; the entire game will be his.
So whoever uses all swords just has to find a way to stall the enemy for a minute, and then he's golden; the entire game will be his.
Mar 15, 2014 6:50 AM #1175636
Something tells me you don't know how to kite. Or macro archers. Or play.