i always use the same opening strategy for order but it seems to never work

I need new ideas for new opening strategies

Generally, for Order against Order you can go with one of the following, in my order of preference:

Swordwrath + Archidon
Good offence to take the centre and harass if you can. Usually preferable for shorter maps.

Archidon + Miner
Decent offence while still getting a decent economy. Usually preferable for longer maps.

2 Swordwrath + Miner
Decent offence, decent economy, less micro needed compared to Archidon + Miner, so easier to use, but less effective. More useful on shorter maps.

Swordwrath + 2 Miners
Same as 2 Swordwrath + Miner but with more economy than army.

Double Archer
Very unreliable and rarely works well, but when it does, I think it is fantastic. You can start with two Archidons by using the second gold batch from your miners for a second archer. Probably more effective on a long map like Grass Hills.

Mind putting a map size on those?

I would like to add 1 sword 2 miner to FaF's post. A bit more advanced Eco than army.

Added map sizes and Sword + 2 Miners

Archer/Miner best on longer maps? LOL

I said preferable. That's where I generally use it since I have a ridiculous amount of room to kite on Grass Hills. Usually long enough to get a sword after a miner.

If it's GH you DON'T want to be starting Miner/Archer because you need economy for a long game and it's easy to do that there. Unless you have gosu 2400 level micro I wouldn't recommend it, and even then I would only recommend it when sandbagging vs a 1900

Never use 2 sw/1 miner start on short maps. One archidon easily punishes that.

On medium maps, which start is the best? I usually go miner-archer, but sometimes my opponent goes miner/miner/sword, then keeps pushing my archer back with his swords, and eventually wins because of a better economy.

Quote from WyzDM

Never use 2 sw/1 miner start on short maps. One archidon easily punishes that.

I've gotten away with it plenty of times (on castle). Just get castle archer and then max out your army to steal the tower. Play me on castle and I'll show you.

Quote from Saegon

I've gotten away with it plenty of times (on castle). Just get castle archer and then max out your army to steal the tower. Play me on castle and I'll show you.

Then you will fall behind in economy, or the opponent will get tower because he has more army (you wasted 300 gold on a castle archer).

Quote from Saegon

I've gotten away with it plenty of times (on castle). Just get castle archer and then max out your army to steal the tower. Play me on castle and I'll show you.

I don't think you realize who you're talking to LOL
But yeah, swords only isn't a good way to go. You'll get punished by archidon pressure and as soon as you go CA there you will be behind in army and eco, which leaves the other player who holds the tower and can pump out miners quicker in the lead. From there the player with the tower just needs spears to close the game.

I thought all swords was the best way to go on castle; I got killed by it and I killed using it many times before, since archer pressure only lasts as long as you don't have rage.

So whoever uses all swords just has to find a way to stall the enemy for a minute, and then he's golden; the entire game will be his.