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Jul 14, 2015 6:37 AM #1382661
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Lets say Hewitt has JUST been in a fistfight with say... Mizu, thats right, Martial Arts Mizu. Do you think you can take on Hewitt right after that?
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I don't know...
how badly hurt/tired would hewitt be?
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Jul 14, 2015 6:38 AM #1382662
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It's like the Brahmastra of Hindu Mythology, the more you resist, the more powerful it gets.


What? Where do you get this stuff about it being more powerful if you resist it?

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I don't know...
how badly hurt/tired would hewitt be?


I don't know. How badass do you think Mizu is?
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Jul 14, 2015 6:39 AM #1382663
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I don't know. How badass do you think Mizu is?


Well he looks like me so he isn't
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Jul 14, 2015 6:40 AM #1382664
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Well he looks like me so he isn't


So you think Hewitt would walk away unscathed and then proceed to kick your ass too?
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Jul 14, 2015 6:41 AM #1382665
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Jul 14, 2015 6:41 AM #1382666
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What? Where do you get this stuff about it being more powerful if you resist it?
I once read (and heard) about a mythical weapon seen in Ramayana that manifests as something that fires a shredding rain of arrows. The more one tried to protect himself from it, the harder it strikes and by giving up would the attack deal no harm.

Although perhaps I did get the name wrong, most of my knowledge on mythical weapons is hazy.
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Jul 14, 2015 6:44 AM #1382667
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So you think Hewitt would walk away unscathed and then proceed to kick your ass too?


Not Unscathed but tired and with some bruises, possibly could've lost since you said "martial arts mizu". Does mizu know martial arts?
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Jul 14, 2015 6:48 AM #1382669
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I once read (and heard) about a mythical weapon seen in Ramayana that manifests as something that fires a shredding rain of arrows. The more one tried to protect himself from it, the harder it strikes and by giving up would the attack deal no harm.

Although perhaps I did get the name wrong, most of my knowledge on mythical weapons is hazy.


Narayanastra. Its from the Mahabharata, not the Ramayana. It showers millions of arrows, spears, daggers, discs etc. But under total submission and subservience, the weapons spare your body. Side note: It can only be used once in a battle, attempting to reuse it would lead to the weapons attacking your own army.

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Not Unscathed but tired and with some bruises, possibly could've lost since you said "martial arts mizu". Does mizu know martial arts?


Is there anything Mizu doesn't know?
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Jul 14, 2015 7:03 AM #1382671
Ah, I see now though I wasn't aware of the one-use clause, I guess it's just that OP. Your country's mythos is pretty damn awesome.
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Jul 14, 2015 7:09 AM #1382673
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I generally agree, and I get very annoyed when people think that deviation from the source material is somehow automaticall a bad thing. But having said that, sometimes I do feel there is a pinch of validity in that criticism IF the characters are significantly dumbed down for some reason (I'm not saying Ultron is). For example, when I read Tim Burton's Superman script, it was fucking horrendous. Superman was a normal human being who had to fly in a 'Superman' rocket suit. I would understand that it was a seperate movie, but I would still feel the source was butchered.


I don't know, I think it's fine to not like an alternate version of a character, but I don't think it's fair to say something is objectively bad because of it. I feel that in your example the criticism should be that Tim Burton's Superman was poorly written, not that it wasn't like the comic books. That description of Superman could potentially make for an excellent movie if it's executed well, it just takes an open mind to accept that this isn't comic book Superman, it's just loosely based on Superman. Then you could judge the movie based on it's merits rather than dismissing it pre-emptively because it doesn't match your expectations. I always look at Unbreakable in this situation, which was based on the Superman legend. I don't think it would have done nearly as well if they advertised the movie as having anything to do with Superman, as the two characters share few similarities, yet the movie touches on the same core ideas as Superman enough that Quentin Tarantino thought it should have been advertised as a movie where Superman didn't know he was Superman.
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Jul 14, 2015 7:43 AM #1382679
I agree, Jeff. Thats why I preemptively stated that I find it annoying when people do that. The problem is that if the movie is poorly written or executed, then a lot of the retro-comments come out and criticize the movie for not being faithful.

The quality of the movie isn't dependent on how faithful it is to the source material. BUT if the movie itself sucks, then the non-adherence to the source material piles on to the list of annoyances that the movie generates.

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Ah, I see now though I wasn't aware of the one-use clause, I guess it's just that OP. Your country's mythos is pretty damn awesome.


Yes, it is. This barely scratches the surface.
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Jul 14, 2015 7:54 AM #1382681
Nish, you can't dumb down Ultron. You literally cannot dumb down a robot who wants to destroy humans because he is not human.
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Jul 14, 2015 8:00 AM #1382683
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Nish, you can't dumb down Ultron. You literally cannot dumb down a robot who wants to destroy humans because he is not human.


Movie Studio Logic : But if we don't dumb him down, we won't make 2 billions dollars at the box office and 8 billion dollars in merchandise.
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Jul 14, 2015 8:01 AM #1382684
I already explained in my previous rant how they could have presented Ultron without ruining his simplicity, and that is to basically steal the plot of Stealth
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Jul 14, 2015 9:10 AM #1382691
The entire movie dumbs down the concept of artificial intelligence. Real artificial intelligence that had evolved intelligence far beyond humanity would have no problem defeating the human race. People have this illusion that human intelligence and the intelligence of an ant or a termite are at opposite ends of the spectrum, when in actuality within the context of AI, we're essentially the same.

To quote Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen: "I’ve walked across the sun. I’ve seen events so tiny and so fast they hardly can be said to have occurred at all, but you… you are a man. And this world’s smartest man means no more to me than does its smartest termite." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmVgEdBVWOQ

Movies that do a better job of highlighting what AI could really be like are "Transcendence", "Her" and books such as "The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect" or Asimov's "The Last Question". (both of which are freely available online and fairly short, if you have an interest in AI or the technological singularity).