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Don't worry rain, "eye for an eye" is applicable to today's mdoern society Kappa

Situation was basically the guy made over 50 alts and kept erasing. I was done after hour 2.

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Lmao? Seems like you have a problem with misunderstanding things. First, Mods needs to be consistent about this matter. Some Mods are saying you can't be banned for things said in a game others are saying you can. Lol Ase even said both. Second, the TOS doesn't say anything about bans. TOS speaks of termination, not from the global chat but from the game itself, which Mods certainly don't have the power to do. The TOS aren't for petty in game arguments and disputes. They are for serious offenses that actually in some cases break the law. The reason you are made to agree to them before use of this game is so that either party can legally come after the other if they are broken. Lastly, the worse things I've called someone is a noob. Stop blowing it out of proportion.

Yes Mods do need to be consistent. This is why I made this thread. If there's any serious inconsistencies please let us know. The TOS mentions petty things on top of unlawful things and that is quoted clearly in my original post on this thread. TOS speaks of more than termination, it includes any part of the game:

1. Grant of License. 1004319 O/A Jays Webworks hereby grants, and by using Stick Empires™ you thereby accept, a limited, personal, non-exclusive license and right to use Stick Empires™ using either a home, work, or portable computer. Subject to the foregoing Grant of License, you may not remove any proprietary notices or labels on Stick Empires™ without the prior consent, in writing, of 1004319 O/A Jays Webworks. 1004319 O/A Jays Webworks reserves the right for any reason to remove, without notice, any content of Stick Empires™ received from users, including without limitation, bulletin board postings. 1004319 O/A Jays Webworks reserves the right to deny, at its sole discretion, any user access to Stick Empires™ or any portion thereof without notice. Without limiting the foregoing, 1004319 O/A Jays Webworks retains the right to decline service to any user who violates the Stick Empires™ Terms of Use.

I'm not even going to bother looking for a quote of you flaming worse than 'noob' because it's not worth my time.

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The points were made very clear from the beginning. Everyone else who posted on this subject knew exactly what it was about. You're the only one who couldn't grasp it. It's not that I was "going at" Mystery, I was making my case and defending myself against the numerous lies he said about me. If I wouldn't have, many of the mods and players would have been deceived by Mystery, just like you were.

Judging by your misunderstanding about the whole situation, I assume you didn't even look into it. Guessing you barely read anything at all.

Why would you say something like this:

Before even looking into the situation at hand.

I made my comment you quoted specifically consider the issue of if your 'ban' months ago was real or not. Hence the IFs.

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Yes Mods do need to be consistent. This is why I made this thread. If there's any serious inconsistencies please let us know. The TOS mentions petty things on top of unlawful things and that is quoted clearly in my original post on this thread. TOS speaks of more than termination, it includes any part of the game:



I'm not even going to bother looking for a quote of you flaming worse than 'noob' because it's not worth my time.

I made my comment you quoted specifically consider the issue of if your 'ban' months ago was real or not. Hence the IFs.

Seems you still don't understand Terms of Service is a legal binding document between the owners or administrators and between those who use and play their game. You are someone who uses the service. You are simply a player who has the ability to keep players from typing in the global chat. You're trying to act as if you legally hold a position of authority within Jayworks. There is a reason why Mods can only ban players within the chat and can't terminate accounts or IP ban uses because you are only meant to monitor the chat. You aren't legally obligated to do anything else. Don't overstep your boundary.

I'm glad that you realize it would be a waste of time looking for me actually flaming someone, because no evidence exist. If I was someone who flamed someone it wouldn't be too hard to find other users complaining about it and to find some screenshots.

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Err no. It's strange if you were banned months ago and only now complain about an alt ban (which is related to the bans months ago). If so this means your original ban was legitimate as you didn't complain then so the alt ban would also be and you should stop trying to get unbanned because it's not going to happen.

Your whole position in your quote was that I was banned originally to begin with, which is why you told me to stop trying to get unbanned and that it wouldn't happen. Once again it seems as if you didn't even look into my side of the story, which is a very poor quality that a mod should have.

"I'm glad that you realize it would be a waste of time looking for me actually flaming someone, because no evidence exist. If I was someone who flamed someone it wouldn't be too hard to find other users complaining about it and to find some screenshots."

Ha. I mean you talk shit. You just don't talk enough shit to deserve a year. Not that most of it is offensive anyway if you have a thick skin.

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Seems you still don't understand Terms of Service is a legal binding document between the owners or administrators and between those who use and play their game. You are someone who uses the service. You are simply a player who has the ability to keep players from typing in the global chat. You're trying to act as if you legally hold a position of authority within Jayworks. There is a reason why Mods can only ban players within the chat and can't terminate accounts or IP ban uses because you are only meant to monitor the chat. You aren't legally obligated to do anything else. Don't overstep your boundary.

You were claiming the TOS doesn't mention anything about chat bans, which it does. I am not Jays Webworks nor are any of the other mods but it stands under common sense that were are enforcing CJ's TOS with regard to the chat. Mods probably can only ban people in the chat because that's all they're needed to do. What boundary do you think I'm over stepping? I'm not trying to enforce non chat related TOS; I couldn't if I wanted to because I have no way to do so.

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Your whole position in your quote was that I was banned originally to begin with, which is why you told me to stop trying to get unbanned and that it wouldn't happen. Once again it seems as if you didn't even look into my side of the story, which is a very poor quality that a mod should have.

If so this means

Read.
Stop quoting my paragraph and actually read it.

Yes this is all drama. So stop replying to him, he's flaming so hard. Don't let him beat you guys down to his level. It isn't really good for my brain to come back to this after intense revisions.

SE mods, you need to do something amongst yourself. Group up and discuss or something about this situation. My 2 cents is that Archy's poormystery is a direct harassment to him. In a passive aggressive way. Sure on the outside there's no harm (contradictory to myst's acc) but the guy who was a mod was aggravated. The fact that you guys are blaming myst for taking insult is ridiculous on it's own.

On the other hand Archy, this will serve as your first and last warning. Stop. Flaming. Harassing. Stop. I'll take action if you don't. I'll have you cool down for now.

I expected better of you guys tbh. Kinda dissapointed.

Any continuation of this charade will result in infractions. No exceptions.

Ai frankly if Myst is goaded into being way unmod like by Archy then Myst is not being a good mod. Myst shouldn't have done what he did regardless of what Archy did. That you go and delete my post on that is ridiculous. Myst is too hot headed to mod well as is currently acting.

Seriously, is nobody understanding what just happened to Archy and Mystery today?

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That you go and delete my post on that is ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous, if it's none of anyone's business. Seriously, what is telling everyone the story of this drama going to benefit? In the end, a mod's ruling is his own. And he doesn't need the sway of the public eye to think otherwise. That's why they were appointed. But if you're questioning Mystery's ability to function as a Mod, then that's really not your business either unless you're the one who got him appointed in the first place. But that is still not a topic for this thread, as I'm sure there are more private channels you guys can confer with.

Mystery is a mod and shouldn't need the opinions of anyone but his fellow mods to know better, that means posting his sob story here is doing nothing but fanning the flames. That goes double for Archy trying to start up more fights by passive-aggressively barking up your tree. They obviously have issues to resolve, but passive aggressively bickering about it here is doing nothing but derailing the spirit of the thread.

Attempting to take sides for what is suppose to be a private matter, as what you may be attempting, is also fanning the flames. And it's not like we don't know what's really going on, this shit has already happened a few days ago to the point that the feud is just getting ridiculous. There is clearly a thing between these 2 people that just won't go away unless by force.

This is the ban appeals thread, right? Tell me, at this point: Is Archy really trying to appeal for his ban? Is this still really about his ban? Because if he was anything short of decent, he wouldn't be such an asshole in that regard and know that he's walking on thin ice. I think his pride just won't let him lose, and now he just wants to say he's the good guy in this and Mystery should be sacked. He's wasting everyone's breath just to see his way and you guys are falling for his bullshit hook line and sinker. Mystery is no better, and is giving 0% professionalism in this. In the end, these 2 can bicker till the end of time on this thread and nothing will get resolved save for getting you people to take sides.

So please guys. Just mind your own business and stop bringing it up because at this point, it is what the drama is fuelled by.

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This is the ban appeals thread, right? Tell me, at this point: Is Archy really trying to appeal for his ban? Is this still really about his ban? Because if he was anything short of decent, he wouldn't be such an asshole in that regard and know that he's walking on thin ice. I think his pride just won't let him lose, and now he just wants to say he's the good guy in this and Mystery should be sacked. He's wasting everyone's breath just to see his way and you guys are falling for his bullshit hook line and sinker.

I agree with this 100%

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Ai frankly if Myst is goaded into being way unmod like by Archy then Myst is not being a good mod. Myst shouldn't have done what he did regardless of what Archy did. That you go and delete my post on that is ridiculous. Myst is too hot headed to mod well as is currently acting.

No matter how good a mod is, enough is enough. Even if it's true that he shouldn't have done what he did, but he did it. It's already been done. What you can do right now is fix the situation. At the end of the day, a mod still is a human. They can only take so much. Put yourself in his shoes. There's a rational solution, but can you actually stand it?

I would really like it if you guys get back to the original topic, ban appeal and discussing the rules. Otherwise, I'll be closing the thread because you're not gonna do what's the thread's for.

3 cheers for communism!

"This is the ban appeals thread, right? Tell me, at this point: Is Archy really trying to appeal for his ban? Is this still really about his ban? Because if he was anything short of decent, he wouldn't be such an asshole in that regard and know that he's walking on thin ice. I think his pride just won't let him lose, and now he just wants to say he's the good guy in this and Mystery should be sacked. He's wasting everyone's breath just to see his way and you guys are falling for his bullshit hook line and sinker. Mystery is no better, and is giving 0% professionalism in this. In the end, these 2 can bicker till the end of time on this thread and nothing will get resolved save for getting you people to take sides."

This last paragraph is exactly my thought, but it still doesn't make abuse of power justifiable (I personally believe). It's tricky whether or not Archy broke any rules because there aren't any regulations regarding the naming of accounts, and that was the problem with this dispute.

@Ai Not going to disagree with deleting everything and thus destroying any progress on the matter but its quite funny when you directly call one side of the argument 'ridiculous' after taking what seems to me as an attempted impartial position. At the end of the day this thread is about ban appeals, and no matter how cancerous things get, never once has it not been about that.

Also I read somewhere 'its none of your business'. But if he's making a genuine appeal, and the mod is proving a legit counter-claim, its not going to sort itself out. Thats the entire point of this thread.

That doesn't really make sense. You agree with Hew. But now you're saying that Archy is making a genuine appeal. What.

Also said appeal was spiralling into a flame war. if left around there won't be any semblance of any appeal. This is pretty much a last chance; if such an argument were to break out again, the thread will be closed.

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I would really like it if you guys get back to the original topic, ban appeal and discussing the rules. Otherwise, I'll be closing the thread because you're not gonna do what's the thread's for.

And there is no rule that mods should ban people out of personal hatred or act in the way that Archy screenshoted, regardless of the scenario. In that position myself I've just avoided messaging the person. Yes I have 'standed it' and I have not broken out in a fit of rage. I don't exactly think Myst should be able to cope with that, but if he can't then maybe he shouldn't be modding.

@Zomar and others with regards to the names we really need to sort out some convention on bans for names. Seeing as names won't change, it only makes sense to either give permanent / year bans on those accounts. Presumably we should go do this on any account name breaking any of the rules listed before? Personal attack defo needs to be added into that list.

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Also said appeal was spiralling into a flame war. if left around there won't be any semblance of any appeal. This is pretty much a last chance; if such an argument were to break out again, the thread will be closed.

Please do remember that the vast majority of people appealing on this thread have used it to right an unjustified or accidental ban and closing this thread would be functionally similar to removing all ban appealing. I think you should just go ham with the infractions instead of locking when people try flaming on here because this thread is the only way people have to appeal. The vocal minority ruining that would be very disappointing.

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Seriously, is nobody understanding what just happened to Archy and Mystery today?



It's not ridiculous, if it's none of anyone's business. Seriously, what is telling everyone the story of this drama going to benefit? In the end, a mod's ruling is his own. And he doesn't need the sway of the public eye to think otherwise. That's why they were appointed. But if you're questioning Mystery's ability to function as a Mod, then that's really not your business either unless you're the one who got him appointed in the first place. But that is still not a topic for this thread, as I'm sure there are more private channels you guys can confer with.

Mystery is a mod and shouldn't need the opinions of anyone but his fellow mods to know better, that means posting his sob story here is doing nothing but fanning the flames. That goes double for Archy trying to start up more fights by passive-aggressively barking up your tree. They obviously have issues to resolve, but passive aggressively bickering about it here is doing nothing but derailing the spirit of the thread.

Attempting to take sides for what is suppose to be a private matter, as what you may be attempting, is also fanning the flames. And it's not like we don't know what's really going on, this shit has already happened a few days ago to the point that the feud is just getting ridiculous. There is clearly a thing between these 2 people that just won't go away unless by force.

This is the ban appeals thread, right? Tell me, at this point: Is Archy really trying to appeal for his ban? Is this still really about his ban? Because if he was anything short of decent, he wouldn't be such an asshole in that regard and know that he's walking on thin ice. I think his pride just won't let him lose, and now he just wants to say he's the good guy in this and Mystery should be sacked. He's wasting everyone's breath just to see his way and you guys are falling for his bullshit hook line and sinker. Mystery is no better, and is giving 0% professionalism in this. In the end, these 2 can bicker till the end of time on this thread and nothing will get resolved save for getting you people to take sides.

So please guys. Just mind your own business and stop bringing it up because at this point, it is what the drama is fuelled by.

I disargree Mods should take note of the public and listen to their fellow mods AND public if their is a general argreement that what their doing is unfair.

With great power comes great responsibility you should know that Hewitt

Whether or not you agree or disagree with me, changes nothing about the situation. So get off your pulpit and stop misquoting Uncle Ben.