"4) I expect anyone to actually convince me or discuss with me through rules-based arguments, not personal doubts + biased."

Ironic. Or hypocritical? Ironic & hypocritical? I dont know.

The actual point Im making is that you arent providing evidence. Also seriously, you need to stop repeating the same ideas again and again and again because they dont make any sense, and they arent enough of a reasoning. Thats why I'm stilll doubtful and you havent convinced a single person. The fact is, you're trying to fluff up some semi made-up argument to cover up for a personal issue that you got upset over. Everybody sees through this, Mystery, there's no point lying to yourself.

I tried to remain political and unbiased but its just so damn painfully obvious and it's pissing me off that you think we're all stupid enough to believe all this bull crap.

Also Gale and Lewis did both post. And I repeat myself, there is no need for some judicial decision when there is clearly a majority, as much as you may hate to admit it.

Once again dont take this personally, but you're just being stubborn at this moment in time.

Lol where do i start....

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Not bother to comment on the post above me(someone who already made an epic sentence that showed how ridiculous he is)

Just want to add couple points here

1) I said I perm banned before, and right now I have no membership, so I cannot check back those of his alts.

Of course you can't, because you never banned any of my accounts. I've already provided screenshots showing that my accounts aren't banned.

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2) Same for the boy who talked about "lie" before, I can say he is lying as well. So what, I want to prove I made perm banned before , and he doesn't need to make the proof he did not get any of his alts unbanned ?
Make it fair, if anyone of you want to put a doubt on my claimed decision made before , you should also make the proof on your appeal for your own sake.

It does not make sense for a mod to make proof on any single ban, but the one who appealed gave no proof at all.
Unless you are making a comprehensive list of alts that he owned before, and showed that none were perm banned, otherwise you are all just making pure one-sided doubt on me.

Otherwise I can use the same sentence to any of you , "you are lying"

There's your proof. Any other Alt I used dates back to before you became a mod. I can also provide screenshots of those if you choose. No appeal was submitted, so no, my accounts weren't unbanned because they were never banned to begin with. You're the only one who is lying.

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3) "Even" I did not perm ban him before , does not mean I cannot year ban him now. There are no contradictions , just like, you banned someone who spammed for one day , after one day he spammed more hard , you still one day ban him ??

Look how you are talking now Mystery, "Even if I didn't perm ban him". No you cannot just ban me for a year because you feel like it. I was not breaking any rules... Look for yourself

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4) I expect anyone to actually convince me or discuss with me through rules-based arguments, not personal doubts + biased. Those vid+replays that I gave out so far was just to show that the image of archy in front of me.

Finally, repeat once more, it does not make sense to put a doubt on a chat ban by simply asking me for proof, while not giving any proof on your own appeal.
It is just like, a person caught by police accusing of possible committing crimes, the person had to make proof for himself in the first place, not to ask the court for proof .

One, you can't ban someone from the global chat from things said in-game, that was determined months ago. Second, I submitted my proof that NONE of my accounts are perm banned. I'm asking you for proof to prove that you did, and you haven't provided ANY not even a little, not even part of a name. So how can you determine they were my accounts?

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5) My strengthened point were "He did insulted mods" "He did trash talk" "He insulted others in games" "He got the history of getting banned"

Quoting from the rules
Impersonation - Imitating a mod/authority figure
Swearing/Cursing - Excessive use of rude words
Flaming - Directly attacking a person/player
Dodging - Being banned on an account - use alt to dodge

The dodging part alone that happened was more than enough for everything

Lmao? When have I ever impersonated a Mod and banned? When was I ever banned for cussing? When was I ever banned for flaming? Only thing I was banned for was dodging, which Ase banned me for it was a day ban, which has been up for over 3 months. And i appealed so you go back to further pages if you feel the need. I don't understand what point you are trying to make here. Are you trying to ban me for a second time? For an offense that I was already banned for over 3 months ago?

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Imagine what happened if every single player who got banned before coming here saying I need to give a proof, what would happen?

It's what you're trying to ban me for Mystery. It's not like I was in spamming and cussing. I was having a normal conversation and received a ban for alt dodging when none of my alts are banned. I provided evidence that none of them are banned, but you can't even provide a name or any type proof of the accounts you supposedly perm banned. I'm calling you a liar and provided proof of it and you have no provided any proof to prove my statement wrong.

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"4) I expect anyone to actually convince me or discuss with me through rules-based arguments, not personal doubts + biased."

Ironic. Or hypocritical? Ironic & hypocritical? I dont know.

The actual point Im making is that you arent providing evidence. Also seriously, you need to stop repeating the same ideas again and again and again because they dont make any sense, and they arent enough of a reasoning. Thats why I'm stilll doubtful and you havent convinced a single person. The fact is, you're trying to fluff up some semi made-up argument to cover up for a personal issue that you got upset over. Everybody sees through this, Mystery, there's no point lying to yourself.

I tried to remain political and unbiased but its just so damn painfully obvious and it's pissing me off that you think we're all stupid enough to believe all this bull crap.

Also Gale and Lewis did both post. And I repeat myself, there is no need for some judicial decision when there is clearly a majority, as much as you may hate to admit it.

Once again dont take this personally, but you're just being stubborn at this moment in time.

Hypocritical, same comment to you

1) quoted from above " Going to end this anti-climatic discussion and wait to see what others think." , yet you are still arguing here.

2) "The actual point Im making is that you arent providing evidence"
The actual point I m making is that you don't provide any evidence I am lying either. So excuse me, may I say you are lying?


3) Looks like you read nothing, so I repeat same thing again and again, until you actually "read"

It does not make sense for a mod to make proof on any single ban, but the one who appealed gave no proof at all.
Unless you are making a comprehensive list of alts that he owned before, and showed that none were perm banned, otherwise you are all just making pure one-sided doubt on me.

Finally, repeat once more, it does not make sense to put a doubt on a chat ban by simply asking me for proof, while not giving any proof on your own appeal.
It is just like, a person caught by police accusing of possible committing crimes, the person had to make proof for himself in the first place, not to ask the court for proof .

4) Once again you are taking this personally, because none of your argument is based on rules, pure doubt . Using a doubt as a supporting argument, looks like you don't even know what is"debating/discussion"

5) You are also pissing me off, because you never read completely all my comments and then directly come to a doubt without even trying to approach me. You don't trust me, I don't trust you either.

6) I already post proof those quotes from the rules, and post replays + vid that insulting mods , you skipped all important parts. I sense personal hatred from you, DAZ 2.0

What you are doing and saying is ,

"Hey I don't believe you"
"Hey you are salty"
"Give proof, or you should unban"

0% proof from an appeal, 0% rule-based doubt, sounds legit.


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"Of course you can't, because you never banned any of my accounts. I've already provided screenshots showing that my accounts aren't banned."

Lmfao three accounts? Excuse me, I am asking for ALL YOUR ACCOUNTS

Its not hypocritical, because the statement I am making is you dont have evidence. My evidence is your lack of evidence.

Archy said something, which you responded to.

He is giving proof.

Why the fuck do I need proof that you have no proof? That is my proof!

How am I taking it personally when all I've been doing is making it purely non-personal? Nothing of what you are saying is making any sense, yet instead of actually doing what I am saying and PROVIDING EVIDENCE, you are just trying to make everything become personal, because that is where the origin of this entire discussion lays. You've just taken a personal stance that you are unwilling to compromise.

And this is all from a third-party audience view, its what I thought immediately from reading your initial posts.

EDIT: Please dont make an emotional appeal at this stage.

Bottom line Mystery, you are wrong and everyone sees it. Gale, Daz, Zomar, Lewis and myself all agree that the ban was unjust and needs to be lifted. No one has sided with you because your story is made up and doesn't make sense. You're proving to everyone how big of a liar you are by continually making lie filled post and providing no evidence of your claims. I provided evidence of my claims, why can't you do the same for yours?

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Its not hypocritical, because the statement I am making is you dont have evidence. My evidence is your lack of evidence.

Archy said something, which you responded to.

He is giving proof.

Why the fuck do I need proof that you have no proof? That is my proof!

How am I taking it personally when all I've been doing is making it purely non-personal? Nothing of what you are saying is making any sense, yet instead of actually doing what I am saying and PROVIDING EVIDENCE, you are just trying to make everything become personal, because that is where the origin of this entire discussion lays. You've just taken a personal stance that you are unwilling to compromise.

And this is all from a third-party audience view, its what I thought immediately from reading your initial posts.

My evidence is your lack of evidence , lmfao, first time to hear this in my past 21 years.
My evidence is replay + video + History (sp account history + Ase banned him history , lurked back all those threads) , and if you are patient enough, I will get back my membership and try to check back account ban record.
If you are rich enough, give me money and pay for my account RIGHT NOW because you are forcing me to give proof.

Why the fuck do I need proof to every single player I banned ?
I banned 100+ spammers , and I believe other mods did the same except some lazy ones(not to mention the names), I bet most of them did not save any proofs after the ban

"Why the fuck do I need proof that you have no proof? That is my proof!"
^
I gave proofs already, just that you are asking for more.
And same thing applied to you, you said you don't trust me, saying "I am salty"
And even more crap like

Thats why I'm stilll doubtful and you havent convinced a single person. The fact is, you're trying to fluff up some semi made-up argument to cover up for a personal issue that you got upset over. Everybody sees through this, Mystery, there's no point lying to yourself.

0 proof as well. Calling me lying directly, stop saying you are third-party, you are not helping at all after I read two of your posts, you are just indirectly biased to another side and act like you are objective.


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Proofs of insulting mods in games :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncBybpJbr-M
http://www.stickempires.com/?replay=...4&version=2.29

And if you are going to talk bs like insulting mods in games are ok as long as they are not in global chat box, then stop commenting

The reason you need to give proof is because Archy is making an appeal.

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The reason you need to give proof is because Archy is making an appeal.

The reason he needs to give proof is because he is making an appeal.

eg 243634968 players appeal here, do you mean I have to save every single proof for every single ban?

you did not try the job, so you only think on your own side, selfish enough that you did not even think how much time I spent on the spam control + ban control , and you still asking for more

I have to cancel my sentence of saying you should be a mod

EDIT: Please dont make an emotional appeal at this stage. Please stop making non-rule based arguments.

EDIT2 :
This is what I saw from lewis

I won't comment on this particular case but some mods are not accountable and mods like one of the people mentioned frequently got into fights on global and banned the people he was fighting with. although this is punishing wrong behaviour it shows a does as i say not as I do approach.

Certain people do need their powers stripped thou I don't consider Mystery to be one of them.

where is lewis saying the ban is not appropriate?

I will take Gale post into account, and at the same time , same for skele

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Alting to dodge a ban is 1 year. Now if you want to take up the initial ban on your first account that's a different matter but you've waited rather long if so.

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Right now the situation is Gale and DAZ supporting ban cancelled, me and Ase supporting ban continued, don't know about skele

I will only wait for three people to comment , and possibly any inactive mods, before that, don't expect I will listen to any personal doubts or make any changes

1) Rain 2) Hash 3) WyzDM 4) Ai (Ai is not SE mod, but I still hope him to comment because he is sp mod, and has experience of dealing with same guy)

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Implying me? lol.

I am not commenting on this case either, I think this is something personal between Archy and myst.

Ase is not on your side Mystery... Seems he's choosing to stay neutral.

Also you do not get to vote on this issue because you are directly involved, obviously you will side for yourself.

So far mods Galeforce and DAZ have directly stated that the ban was unjust and should be reversed.

And a non mod, but creditable Zomar has also said the ban was unjust and reversed.

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Alting to dodge a ban is 1 year. Now if you want to take up the initial ban on your first account that's a different matter but you've waited rather long if so.

Skeleton seems as if he didn't fully understand the situation by his post. Yeah Alt dodging can be a 1 year ban but there was never an initial ban on any of my accounts. But even he comments on how fishy it is that I am getting banned for something that supposedly happened months ago. Not to mention the ban happened the same day you made personal attacks against me on this thread http://forums.stickpage.com/showthread.php?97430-Please-make-a-button-to-Disable-Music!!!/page2

As of right now Mystery NOT ONE PERSON HAS DIRECTLY SIDED WITH YOU. How many people will it take for you to understand that the ban was unjust and should be lifted?

Err no. It's strange if you were banned months ago and only now complain about an alt ban (which is related to the bans months ago). If so this means your original ban was legitimate as you didn't complain then so the alt ban would also be and you should stop trying to get unbanned because it's not going to happen.

Simply to reply, you are not a mod, you can keep quiet now and stop forcing for any decision to be made.

You are not making an appeal, what you are doing is not an appeal, instead it is just a disgusting pure urge.

Err no. It's strange if you were banned months ago and only now complain about an alt ban (which is related to the bans months ago). If so this means your original ban was legitimate as you didn't complain then so the alt ban would also be and you should stop trying to get unbanned because it's not going to happen.

^ nice sum up , exactly what I tried to express in priority.

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Err no. It's strange if you were banned months ago and only now complain about an alt ban (which is related to the bans months ago). If so this means your original ban was legitimate as you didn't complain then so the alt ban would also be and you should stop trying to get unbanned because it's not going to happen.

Skeleton... I'm saying I was never received a perm ban months ago to begin with. How can I get a year ban for Alt dodging when none of my accounts are currently banned? I'm not arguing about an original ban because it never existed to begin with. I'm saying Mystery lied about perm banning my alts (as none of them are perm banned to this day) just so he could simply ban me for no reason. Do you understand the situation now?

Mystery is providing ZERO information to disprove my claims that none of my accounts were banned to begin with, making the Alt Dodging ban unjust.

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Skeleton... I'm saying I was never received a perm banned months ago to begin with. How can I get a year ban for Alt dodging when none of my accounts are currently banned? I'm not arguing about an original ban because it never existed to begin with. I'm saying Mystery lied about perm banning my alts (as none of them are perm banned to this day) just so he could simply ban me for no reason. Do you understand the situation now?

The situation is you lied about all your alts and cried for your ban after one more of your alt got banned , and you ignored all the mistakes you committed without even trying to admit/apologize.

And excluding that past history, I post the replays and vids you insulted mods, still valid enough to ban you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncBybpJbr-M
http://www.stickempires.com/?replay=...4&version=2.29

I am here to ask for those 30+ alts proof of unban , or a possible IP list by the devs + possible record of banning accs if anyone trying to ask for proofs.

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The situation is you lied about all your alts and cried for your ban after one more of your alt got banned , and you ignored all the mistakes you committed without even trying to admit/apologize.

And excluding that past history, I post the replays and vids you insulted mods, still valid enough to ban you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncBybpJbr-M
http://www.stickempires.com/?replay=...4&version=2.29

I am here to ask for those 30+ alts proof of unban , or a possible IP list by the devs + possible record of banning accs if anyone trying to ask for proofs.

Mystery you realize you can't ban someone from global chat for things said in a match right? So no you can't still ban me, learn the rules.

Lmao Mystery how many alts do you think I have? I do not have 30 Alts. I have maybe 10, but that fine I will provide screenshots. Note I play an account for a month until the membership runs out and make a new account for the next month, so some of these alts will be dating back 2014 and before there were even Mods in the game. I hope this will settle this once and for all.

After speaking with Mystery and reviewing the situation, Mystery banned Entrovert (Archybeatz) for ban dodging for 1 year. None of Entrovert's accounts have any standing bans and the ban has been applied unjustly.

Per Mystery's request, I have unbanned Entrovert for ban dodging.