Alright I'm done debating this topic, you guys win lol have other things to do

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Why? Unless quoting someone, he/she wouldn't need to substantiate his/her opinion with some kind of statement made elsewhere. That kind of substantiating only has any formal authority if making a statement based off of a facts, views or select phrases made by another that is not your own.

By your logic, we'd need citations for every opinion or point of view on life that we have.

are you saying that i don't need to provide any evidence if my belief that something is true spontaneously came to me one day on its own? that's fucking nonsense. either he has seen some valid evidence in order to make such a claim and is simply too lazy to provide it until i ask him to do so, or he's pulling shit out of his own ass and pretending it's an argument based on real science, and shouldn't be in the debate section.

"if your gay you can change if u really wanted to" is a definitive statement, not an opinion. i'm demanding evidence for a questionable statement which i suspect he has zero evidence to support.

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I agree with that, but we are talking about life here.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

the fallacy fallacy doesn't apply here. it applies when somebody calls out a fallacious point in order to discredit a broader argument, or when somebody calls something a fallacy when it isn't. neither of these were the case here. you just had an entirely fallacious argument, which got called out.

in fact, what i'm doing right now is calling YOU out as having executed a fallacy fallacy.

Depends on what you base as a guideline for morality. If you're religious then it's immoral. If you're not then like they all said, it has nothing to do with morality.

I for one am ok with homosexuality. Doesn't affect me, why hate on it?

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Depends on what you base as a guideline for morality. If you're religious then it's immoral. If you're not then like they all said, it has nothing to do with morality.
I for one am ok with homosexuality. Doesn't affect me, why hate on it?

Only most religions say homosexuality is immoral, not all of them.

Also, why use it's affect on you as a reason? I'd say homosexuality does affect you. Recognition of non queer sexuality in a non 'mental disorder' way means people may not assume you are heterosexual, and that means you may have to say sometimes that you are heterosexual on surveys. My point is that it probably does affect you, but in a very limited way. Perhaps a better way to put it is that it doesn't 'negatively affect you', but a homophobe could flip that reason around quite easily by saying it makes them feel uncomfortable so it's still probably not the best way to give a reason for homosexuality being okay.

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My point is that it probably does affect you, but in a very limited way. Perhaps a better way to put it is that it doesn't 'negatively affect you'

It's pretty clear that's what he meant

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but a homophobe could flip that reason around quite easily by saying it makes them feel uncomfortable so it's still probably not the best way to give a reason for homosexuality being okay.

He was giving his personal reasons for being okay with it, he wasn't arguing for why it's objectively acceptable. Nor is anyone who says "homosexuality makes me uncomfortable", that's a personal problem, not an argument against homosexuality being okay.

Lol how is this even a debate?

Morality deals with what's generally perceived as "right" and "wrong". Sexuality is purely individual. It's like asking if preferring vanilla is less moral than preferring chocolate.

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Lol how is this even a debate?

Morality deals with what's generally perceived as "right" and "wrong". Sexuality is purely individual. It's like asking if preferring vanilla is less moral than preferring chocolate.

That's actually a huge debate that has been happening in alot of debate sites. And no, it's not like asking if preferring vanilla is less moral than preferring chocolate. Since you don't choose to be homosexual.

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That's actually a huge debate that has been happening in alot of debate sites. And no, it's not like asking if preferring vanilla is less moral than preferring chocolate. Since you don't choose to be homosexual.

I'm pretty sure you don't choose your tastes, either.

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I'm pretty sure you don't choose your tastes, either.

Yes, I know that ( People who have a lot of papillae—the bumps on our tongue, most of which house our taste buds—often find flavors overwhelming. They're "supertasters," and as such they add cream to their coffee and order food mild instead of spicy. Subtasters, on the other hand, have low papillae density and prefer their chicken wings "atomic" etc..) , but he said 'preferring' . That's a preference, and it's not insuperable.

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That's actually a huge debate that has been happening in alot of debate sites. And no, it's not like asking if preferring vanilla is less moral than preferring chocolate. Since you don't choose to be homosexual.

Genetics and hormones have some role to play yes, but homosexuality is definitely a choice.

That doesn't make any sense. Genetics and hormones kind of influence your sexuality, but it's still definitely a choice? Can you explain the genetic and hormonal factors at play? If not I don't know why you think they're relevant at all when you also believe it's "definitely a choice".


Did you choose to be heterosexual? I seriously doubt the idea of being with another man in any capacity has ever once seemed appealing to you. You've always been attracted to the opposite sex and that was not your decision, you're just naturally attracted to them. It's the same for gay people, they didn't choose to be gay, they're just following their natural urges.

The notion that someone's sexuality is a decision is so ridiculous that I can only think of one logical explanation for someone to believe it, and that's when someone grows up with natural homosexual urges and makes the conscious decision to suppress them due to societal pressures and live in denial. Those people would then assume that homosexuality is a "choice" for everyone else. I can't think of any other good reason for someone to come to that conclusion, most people don't choose their sexuality so why would they assume anyone else does?

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Genetics and hormones have some role to play yes, but homosexuality is definitely a choice.

I find this rude, since I posted alot of facts against homosexuality being a choice ( and being a creation of society). And as Exilement said, I just find it rediculous for someone to think that homosexuality is a choice. I sencierly think it's laughable.

For the sake of not being rude ('with my own opinions') I'll give you some facts aswell, + you can read the previous ones I gave : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-siebold/need-more-proof-being-gay_b_5805680.html ; http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/02/04/choose_to_be_gay_no_you_don_t.html .

I can't think of 1 scientist that has said homosexuality is a choice.

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Yes, I know that ( People who have a lot of papillae—the bumps on our tongue, most of which house our taste buds—often find flavors overwhelming. They're "supertasters," and as such they add cream to their coffee and order food mild instead of spicy. Subtasters, on the other hand, have low papillae density and prefer their chicken wings "atomic" etc..) , but he said 'preferring' . That's a preference, and it's not insuperable.

I just want to say that you're implying that people who enjoy very spicy food have poor taste.

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I just want to say that you're implying that people who enjoy very spicy food have poor taste.

No, I just mean that subtasters (people with low papillae density) can tolerate super spicy foods, and the supertasters find more flavors overwhelming. This is scientifically proven ( I won't search for facts or evidence since it has nothing to do with the thread).

I don't know if it means that they have poor taste or actually the people who can't tolerate spicy food are the ones with poor taste, I was just showing that I know people don't choose their own taste and that depends on the amount of papillae they have.