Well, the original idea was that you had to debate about your choice. The debating was optional. But now everyone just wants to vote straight away.

Of course, if someone were to provide a compelling argument perhaps the votes can be swayed...I think.

I'd be more vocal in my defense when it comes to characters I know more about, like the 2hus.

The distinct loss of steam in this thread has become apparent. If this goes on, I shall finish it myself. Like seriously, let's sit down and seriously discuss the odds here. I invite anyone who wants to floor to themselves. I know you want to Mustika.

Want some discussion? Discuss my thoughts.

The Equalizer
Rorschach

He's a professional. Rorschach is good at beating up guys with little to no training. Not to mention Robert McCall wouldn't even engage him in hand to hand. McCall is the kind of guy who prepares for everything and plays the mind game, which Rorschach has proved to be vulnerable to.

Barry
Xigbar

Xigbar can blink and can easily hit anyone, except the Flash. I read up on the wiki you provided and he still has super agility and reflexes. Not to mention the ability to receive and process information almost instantly. I don't see Xigbar landing a single shot on the hero.

Ash
Reisen

Redacted for inaccuracy and agreements with GT.

Jackie
Redd

You're asking me if the harbinger of satan would be able to defeat a supe'd up version of an alice in wonderland character. But to be honest I think Alyss Heart would of stood a better chance. Jackie wins hands down.

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Erron
Stitch

I honestly have no idea. Stitch is more powerful but Erron just fucks up everything that gets in his way without mercy. So abstain on this vote for now.

Kalena
Ness

He outranks her in every way. The only place she may have an advantage is experience but I don't think that would win Kalena this fight. Ness' psy powers just push him further than Kalena can achieve.

Sakuya
The Hulk

This guy is probably one of the few who can defeat Sakuya. No matter what she does to him I don't see her being able to keep the green beast down. He's got enough regeneration to survive in the vacuum of space by letting his lungs explode and heal themselves over and over. He's waged war on and defeated most of the most powerful beings in the marvel universe. Not to mention he has literally limitless strength, endurance, regeneration, and rage.

Ash's Pikachu
Bubbles

She's faster, stronger, more durable, and is pretty much impossible to beat when you're an electric rodent. Ash's Pikachu is fast and is a pretty decent heavy hitter with his lightning, but none of that would even scratch Bubbles.


I'd like to debate any disagreements.

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The Equalizer
Rorschach

You didn't even mention why he'd win.

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Barry - He can access the speedforce and go to other dimensions. He's capable of vibrating through materials. He can basically "foresee" all events that are just about to happen. I don't think Xigbar stands a chance.
Xigbar

We're talking about the TV show version of the Flash. Not the comic version. He can't do all those crazy speed force powers.

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Ash
Reisen - "Campbell also added that Ash is 'a bad slow thinker and a good fast thinker'" This is mentioned in the Wiki. He's also "pretty much incompetent at everything except fighting the Evil Dead".

Reisen targets your sanity. Ash can handle that. If he can't I'd like to debate how he couldn't with you. Also fighting off the Evil Dead is no easy task and I feel like most people in this tournament would lose to that army.

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Jackie
Redd - Tough. One has limitless power from The Darkness, the other can imagine stuff and it will appear. I'm assuming Redd will win just due to hear intellect.

You make it sound like Jackie is dumb. He becomes a mob boss who gets trapped in Hell only to escape. He's dealt with the temptation of pure evil ceaselessly only to deny The Darkness control. Jackie is an intelligent man and a skilled combatant. The Darkness is also skilled and extremely intelligent.

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Erron
Stitch - Read the Wiki. Just READ IT. HE'S OVERPOWERED. The only reason he can be that powerful without objection is cause he belongs in a Disney TV show and is somehow an idiot. ("Parallel Computing: He is an information repository, with a dictionary, thesaurus, encyclopedia, and experiment catalogue, and records every moment of his life, in a reserved portion of his brain that can theoretically store up to 300 PB." - What happened to that?)

You're probably right on this one tbh. I'd just like to hear more arguments before I make a decision.

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Kalena
Ness

Sakuya
The Hulk

Ash's Pikachu
Bubbles

You didn't even give a reason on any of these either.

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Ash
Reisen

I'll be honest, I don't know much about Touhou. But from what I read about the wiki I can safely say Ash would win this fight. Ash has been through some crazy shit and already dealt with insanity on some crazy levels heh. I also would like to think Ash is fairly strong in willpower since not just any one has the balls to cut off their own hand.

Inducing insanity isn't Reisen's only use of wave manipulation, she can also create illusions that conceal her position and attacks. It'd be very difficult for Ash to maintain his bearings on an opponent who deceives his senses. She can also unleash multiple variants of Cyclops' Optic Blast, ranging from precise beams to expanding rings. Then there's her s̶u̶p̶p̶o̶s̶i̶t̶o̶r̶i̶e̶s̶ bullets she often employs in Spellcard Duels, normally they'd be nonlethal but I think for the purposes of the fight (and she's not restricted) she can probably treat them like real shots. Lastly, Moon Rabbits are drilled with military training, Ash doesn't possess the same level of discipline. Perhaps in the fight Reisen will just keep her distance and keep peppering him until he's down.

My argument for Sakuya will come later.

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Inducing insanity isn't Reisen's only use of wave manipulation, she can also create illusions that conceal her position and attacks. It'd be very difficult for Ash to maintain his bearings on an opponent who deceives his senses. She can also unleash multiple variants of Cyclops' Optic Blast, ranging from precise beams to expanding rings. Then there's her s̶u̶p̶p̶o̶s̶i̶t̶o̶r̶i̶e̶s̶ bullets she often employs in Spellcard Duels, normally they'd be nonlethal but I think for the purposes of the fight (and she's not restricted) she can probably treat them like real shots. Lastly, Moon Rabbits are drilled with military training, Ash doesn't possess the same level of discipline. Perhaps in the fight Reisen will just keep her distance and keep peppering him until he's down.

My argument for Sakuya will come later.

Thought I knew Ash better than I did apparently. He's already totally insane meaning she could wreck havoc with his mind. Also the hallucinations would totally destroy him since he has no form of combat over a shotgun and and a chainsaw/handtohand. I think you're right in this one. Changing vote.

I didn't mention why some would win cause I wasn't too sure myself. I kinda knew why but I need to do extra research to confirm it.

Barry - Oh, I didn't actually watch the TV show. In that case... Changing vote.

Reisen - That's what I thought originally, but as I read deeper I noticed that Ash has gone through a lot of pain and suffering... wait that doesn't actually support my case. Also I'm not saying others can hold off the Evil Dead, I'm just saying that Campbell specifically said he isn't that good at anything. Oh right. Ash has a chainsaw/gauntlet and a shotgun. That's about it.

Redd - Hence why it was a tough decision. Both characters' powers are near infinite. I'm not saying that Jackie is dumb, I'm just saying that if Redd wasn't smart she wouldn't stand a chance. I don't know Redd that well but - (after some research)... Redd can make physical objects. Jackie has healing powers, near indestructible armor, all on top of the insane powers. Changing vote.

Heh, I thought you're going to retort with him having a method for seeking enemies or something like that.

Sakuya
The Hulk

This guy is probably one of the few who can defeat Sakuya. No matter what she does to him I don't see her being able to keep the green beast down. He's got enough regeneration to survive in the vacuum of space by letting his lungs explode and heal themselves over and over. He's waged war on and defeated most of the most powerful beings in the marvel universe. Not to mention he has literally limitless strength, endurance, regeneration, and rage.

Those traits apply to his Hulk form, but Bruce Banner's much more vulnerable. In one comic, Deadpool killed him by lasting long enough to tire him out back to his human self, where he promptly dispatched him. Another thing is that Sakuya is the only functional maid in the house, it's possible that she has the patience of a saint. (No, not that one) In one of Marisa's endings in EoSD, she blooms some flowers that would normally take sixty years to mature. She's likely smart enough to notice that a direct engagement is suicidal and instead opts to stall him back into his weaker self then perforate him afterwards. Alternatively, she can preemptively one-shot him immediately long before a threat ever registers in his mind that would trigger his transformation. As a last resort, she can simply just let entropy do its thing and age him into dust, although I don't know if that even works. Basically, without the spellcard rules messing with her, Sakuya can afford to play the long game and strike him at his weakest.

I can't wait for the inevitable Sakuya vs Dio Brando matchup

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Heh, I thought you're going to retort with him having a method for seeking enemies or something like that.


Those traits apply to his Hulk form, but Bruce Banner's much more vulnerable. In one comic, Deadpool killed him by lasting long enough to tire him out back to his human self, where he promptly dispatched him. Another thing is that Sakuya is the only functional maid in the house, it's possible that she has the patience of a saint. (No, not that one) In one of Marisa's endings in EoSD, she blooms some flowers that would normally take sixty years to mature. She's likely smart enough to notice that a direct engagement is suicidal and instead opts to stall him back into his weaker self then perforate him afterwards. Alternatively, she can preemptively one-shot him immediately long before a threat ever registers in his mind that would trigger his transformation. As a last resort, she can simply just let entropy do its thing and age him into dust, although I don't know if that even works. Basically, without the spellcard rules messing with her, Sakuya can afford to play the long game and strike him at his weakest.

I can't wait for the inevitable Sakuya vs Dio Brando matchup

Hulk can keep going forever as long as something keeps him enraged. An enemy he can't catch would do so. Idk what comic you're talking about with Deadpool killing him but it sounds non-canon and if we're talking non-canon hulk then that's just gg already.

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Hulk can keep going forever as long as something keeps him enraged. An enemy he can't catch would do so. Idk what comic you're talking about with Deadpool killing him but it sounds non-canon and if we're talking non-canon hulk then that's just gg already.

Yeah, it was from Deadpool kills Marvel (or something else). I'm still sticking to my vote. Thinking about it, I guess it's presumed that the rounds start with Hulk in his state already so there goes preemptive strikes. Anyways, Hulk can still calm down, and if it can stop then Sakuya has a chance to win; She's not one to actively taunt her opponents. Also, I don't know how much of allies' influence are allowed, but perhaps Remilia's grace can ensure her fate.

Hang on...

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Okay, this'll take a while since it's Unstoppable Forces vs Intangible Object. Both sides can theoretically last forever, by rage for the Hulk and by infinite Time Walks for Sakuya. There's no way she'll let herself get hit, and she can keep this up forever. The Hulk can also keep going and pounding forever, according to the stipulations he's not considering alternatives.

The Equalizer
Rorschach

Barry
Xigbar

Ash
Reisen

Jackie
Redd

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Erron
Stitch

Kalena
Ness

Sakuya
The Hulk

Ash's Pikachu
Bubbles

When has the Hulk ever calmed down for anything but a plot device. You keep saying she'll never let herself get hit, but that's semantics. She will get hit eventually because if she couldn't then I'll have to disqualify her and her touhou buddy for being imba OP. Even GUTS gets hit once in awhile. The question now is how long can the 2 bear it and what can both do to cope.

You cant say no one doesnt get hit forever, thats not a legit excuse

Fair point, Sakuya would crumple on a single, direct hit.

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