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you never said what kind of spear!

Hammer vs Spear :

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I'm sure you see the problem with using a weapon that longer than the average person. Of course, charging a spearman is straight retarded because spears are designed to repel charges. Getting around the tip of a single spear can be done if the spearman jabs out at you and you approach his side.

The spearman turns and kabobs you as you dodge. "getting around the tip" is not an easy maneuver.

I don't understand how a katana would be good against a group. The downward slicing motion that is the basis of their technique looks like it could fuck a nigga up but not really excel against a group. Not to mention being outnumbered even 2v1 usually ends a loss for the loner regardless of what they're holding.

It's not an ideal weapon by any means, but the katana is built to be able to slash through flesh efficiently, reducing the amount of time that you have to use to dislodge your blade. If used well, you can cleave from one enemy to the next in swift succession.

Anyway, to the point here, playing defensive and killing them one by one as a lone spearman is definitely not easy, I'd say near impossible without a shield. You could use the spear to keep them at a distance while you backpedal and wait for help but once you jab your spearhead into one of them, the others are gonna come in lop your arms off.

Jab and retreat. They can't kill you if you're getting away.

In this case, you're comparing tactics and not weapons.

Yes, I am. I am comparing the strategies you can use with a spear to the ones you can use with a sword. The spear can be used to charge, defend, or retreat; all very effectively. The machete can be used to charge. Is it better at charging? Of course. Can you use it in a half-decent retreat attempt? Not really. The spear provides leaps and bounds more flexibility of strategy.

Not to mention that a machete is much less prone to breaking than a spear or katana, and a more sturdy weapon in general.

You have never held a real spear in your life, have you. Spears are exceptionally durable. Good luck breaking a solid haft of wood in the middle of a fight.

Also, I hate the bashing of katanas. As long as you're not attacking armored opponents on a regular basis, katanas can last for generations. Even if the iron was sub-par, the swords themselves were absurdly well-crafted to withstanding stress.

that's not even a spear but k den

It sure 'aint a machete.
Besides, if you look at WWII bayonets, they were most certainly spears.

Jab and retreat. They can't kill you if you're getting away.

the problem is .. tou only can jabbing one man at a time , while you jabbing one man , the other rush toward ,you , do you even ever helding a spear?

i've held it once , the steel one with 2m length , it is property of my great grandpa , and it is fuking not efficient when it come to swinging/cutting

and for the wooden one , pretty sure katana can cut trough it. even a machete , or golok we usually call here , the blade is fukin thick and sharp.

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hold on a sec... you never said what kind of spear!.

every spear the same , it is a boring thrusting action , if you want a different is pole arm , like voulge , or halbierder , or bardiche (not sure if the spelling is right , but that is some of the example)

Just from curiosity, are we talking about traditional spears or long-blade spears that have blades that, when removed, can function as a short sword? Because that makes a serious difference in actual combat effectiveness.

Also, just as a note, it's actually incredibly easy to deal with a sole spearman when you also have a weapon of notable length and are in an open space. Now, a confined space....

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Just from curiosity, are we talking about traditional spears or long-blade spears that have blades that, when removed, can function as a short sword? Because that makes a serious difference in actual combat effectiveness.

Also, just as a note, it's actually incredibly easy to deal with a sole spearman when you also have a weapon of notable length and are in an open space. Now, a confined space....

depend , but they are seem to put interest in long regular spear.

when it come to confined space , or narrow , space , machete. machete , no doubt.

Actually, machetes would be awful in a confined space. They're a form of hacking weapon, primarily designed to cut through small trees, vines, and other plant life. They came to be known for their efficiency in cutting through bodies when utilized by guerrillas and warlords, and were further popularized through media. As a hacking/slash weapon, open spaces are where they're best suited, as it allows one to create the arc to get a decent slash. And because of their design, unlike traditional swords, they don't require extensive training to go through bodies without trouble (typically swords must be slashed a specific way to travel through bone and the like).

Spears on the other hand are best used when in groups of spearman as it gives a solid defense (this was mentioned previously) as well as when in a confined space as they're primarily a thrusting weapon. No real training is needed for a spear, it's pretty much "stab it with the pointy end." Traditionally, spear heads aren't too long, though around the times of Vikings they decided "let's make the blades about the size of swords so we can slash as well." This lowered the overall length of spears but also increased their efficiency. These combat spears were used more for mid-range combat, and throwing spears were also adapted for longer range combat and increased penetration capabilities. Anyways, that aside, in an open area, spears still aren't the best weapon on their own, as somebody with either a decent length weapon or considerable skill can party away the actual blade and move in while the spearman tries to back away. And as their weapon's got quite a length that isn't actually suited for hurting people, the closer in you get the less danger you're in.

That said, I'd still say a spear is the best melee weapon for a zombie apocalypse aside from an ax then machete as zombies aren't particularly smart, tend to not be super speedy or defense-prone, and tend to just wear normal clothing, meaning you can easily jab and keep them at bay while you find a way to not be surrounded. (This bit on zombies is off topic, just interesting input IMO.)

by machete .. i mean that machete in post #63 of this thread , that we call it golok , damn that weapon is super duper dangerous if you know how to use it.
my trainer taught a lot of skill you can do with golok , and if there are any competition is helded. there will be this segment called "Art" segment wich is basically
you show people how to rekt people with your golok , and there are some technique to fight a stave while holding a golok , or even a katana. or you could say it "how to rekt people with golok 101"

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Hammer vs Spear :

and... what's the exact point of this gif?

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and... what's the exact point of this gif?

Scatter described it well.

But mostly it has no point, like every single poll you've made. It was also funny, unlike every single poll you've made.

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Scatter described it well.

But mostly it has no point, like every single poll you've made. It was also funny, unlike every single poll you've made.

Shit! Nish the Pyro.

For me, it depends on the person, depends on how well he coordinates with his weapon and how good he is on his footing and hands.
But if you're finding a real answer I'd say Katana

and i need a real reason too

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Scatter described it well.

But mostly it has no point, like every single poll you've made. It was also funny, unlike every single poll you've made.

Okay, but it's not like I care.

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it's not like I care.

About your polls? No one cares. Trust me.

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Okay, but it's not like I care.

Why make polls if you don't care? Why post at all if you don't care? Follow through with your apathy and don't even bother.