I hate 2 and 3 for the same reasons. The problem is that in those movies, it is identified as stupid behaviour, or it is motivated by greed, or fear or they are portrayed as being dumb. IN this movie, they're all supposed to be smart, responsible or cunning. But I guarantee you no one would be as stupid in real life as them unless they were genuinely retarded.

For example, Vincent D'Nofrio is in cahoots with the Korean scientist who made the super beast. He KNOWS that the Dinobeast has Raptor DNA in it. However, he is still convinced that the 4 tiny raptors can capture it, and he puts his OWN men (and his raptors, which he wants to use at a later date) at risk by not informing ANYONE that the Dinobeast has Raptor DNA and might be able to communicate.

Case no.2, the Dinobeast camoflauges its thermal signature to avoid detection. Somehow the beast magically understood the scientific concept of thermal cameras that could detect it. Also, instead of fucking quarantining the pen until they track down the implanted chip inside, what does everyone (including the so called dinosaur expert) do? They saunter right into the fucking pen, and leave it open. At least fucking track the signal before opening the door and GOING INSIDE, mate.

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The humans in the movie are really, really, REALLY stupid (I'm not referring to the scientists who created the monster beast, I'm referring to stupid sequences like the boys venturing INTO dino territory despite being warned not to do so) and the only reason the plot even happens is because at least 5 of the main characters have no common sense whatsoever, and act diametrically opposite to the way any one of us would act.

How come this is the case on almost every action/horror movie? I mean, can't they think of a different way instead of a stupid person going to do what they were not supposed to do?

Which other movie did this exact scenario happen in?

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Which other movie did this exact scenario happen in?

No, i'm just saying about the "humans are really stupid" part, not anything else.
One example is Inside out.

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No, i'm just saying about the "humans are really stupid" part, not anything else.

Huh? But you just said...

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I mean, can't they think of a different way instead of a stupid person going to do what they were not supposed to do?

^ Weren't you referring to a specific example here? Why would you say "a different way" if you weren't talking about any way in particular?


Edit: It doesn't matter. I don't think I'm going to get an explaination, so I'll round it off to what I think you meant and respond anyway.

Its bad writing on the part of the screenwriters, pure and simple. Having a logical flow of events is difficult to construct, especially when you want some kind of exciting drama and adventure in the movie. So its much, much easier just to have characters do stupid shit. I normally don't mind when this happens as long as they stay IN-character. For example, if a character is a thrill-seeker and gets into shit trying to do something bravura, I wouldn't mind it. But in most movies, lazy writing has characters do things that they wouldn't do given their personality traits. Its just to move the plot along.

Oh, alright then.
Just as long as the movie is great overall, then I guess I can just ignore the parts.

Yeah but there are great movies too that don't require the characters to be idiots. David Fincher's movies, for example, often have huge unraveling mysteries without any of the characters acting like retards. Seven, Girl with a Dragon Tattoo etc all have characters who are essentially smarter than us, not dumber than us.

I'd argue that the main character for The Clockwork Orange was retarded but it's still one of my favorite movies

He was psychotic, not retarded. Would you say he was overtly stupid about something?

I'd saying Singing In The Rain while taking a bath is kind of stupid. It could be argued that it's more of a slip-up than stupid, but I don't think anyone in that situation would be relaxed that much.

But he has no clue he is with the guy who he assaulted earlier.

We also know that he LOVES music but he can't listen to his favorite piece of music anymore. So the only thing he has in life really anymore in the other song that he loves. We also know that hes a spoilt brat who probably sings all the time in the bath, and this is the first time he is being accepted by someone and treated well after just getting out of prison and getting dumped by his parents.

Its over-the-top, but I don't see it as stupid. Like there is literally nothing idiotic about him singing in the bath, when he has absolutely NO clue that this is the same man who's wife he raped. If he had a suspicion and still sang it, then I would agree it was moronic. But the movie makes it very clear that it was the furthest thing from his mind at that point.

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Yeah but there are great movies too that don't require the characters to be idiots. David Fincher's movies, for example, often have huge unraveling mysteries without any of the characters acting like retards. Seven, Girl with a Dragon Tattoo etc all have characters who are essentially smarter than us, not dumber than us.

Those kinds are the ones I'd like to watch.
I don't know much of David Fincher's movies, but I heard it was great.

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But he has no clue he is with the guy who he assaulted earlier.

We also know that he LOVES music but he can't listen to his favorite piece of music anymore. So the only thing he has in life really anymore in the other song that he loves. We also know that hes a spoilt brat who probably sings all the time in the bath, and this is the first time he is being accepted by someone and treated well after just getting out of prison and getting dumped by his parents.

Its over-the-top, but I don't see it as stupid. Like there is literally nothing idiotic about him singing in the bath, when he has absolutely NO clue that this is the same man who's wife he raped. If he had a suspicion and still sang it, then I would agree it was moronic. But the movie makes it very clear that it was the furthest thing from his mind at that point.

Getting treated well after everything that happened to him, I honestly expected his character to be more suspicious about everything. It wasn't so much about who was helping him or knowing that the main character assaulted him before, but I just thought that a cruel person receiving the shit end of the cruel world would become a skeptic.

Don't get me wrong, I do love his character and I think he was well-written. It's been quite a while since I watched it, but I remember thinking that a few of his decisions were more of the juvenile kind of stupid kind rather than psychotic. Because that's what he is, a teenager.

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I hate 2 and 3 for the same reasons. The problem is that in those movies, it is identified as stupid behaviour, or it is motivated by greed, or fear or they are portrayed as being dumb. IN this movie, they're all supposed to be smart, responsible or cunning. But I guarantee you no one would be as stupid in real life as them unless they were genuinely retarded.

For example, Vincent D'Nofrio is in cahoots with the Korean scientist who made the super beast. He KNOWS that the Dinobeast has Raptor DNA in it. However, he is still convinced that the 4 tiny raptors can capture it, and he puts his OWN men (and his raptors, which he wants to use at a later date) at risk by not informing ANYONE that the Dinobeast has Raptor DNA and might be able to communicate.

Case no.2, the Dinobeast camoflauges its thermal signature to avoid detection. Somehow the beast magically understood the scientific concept of thermal cameras that could detect it. Also, instead of fucking quarantining the pen until they track down the implanted chip inside, what does everyone (including the so called dinosaur expert) do? They saunter right into the fucking pen, and leave it open. At least fucking track the signal before opening the door and GOING INSIDE, mate.

I think part of the difference for me is as a part of a younger generation with increasingly shittier movies, I've just come to expect characters to do idiotic things and don't even bat an eye when they do. I think the other part is your taste in film is much more refined than mine.

I think a more realistic approach to the Dinosaur escaping is that if the escape were to happen due to scientific error, it could be that they simply underestimated the beasts power once it's fully grown, that it had outstripped their expectations. I would have loved to see the indominus rex be a more accomplished jumper considering the raptor genetics. So it could have removed the probe, leaving it in the pin and then gone on an assassination spree outside of the pin. Which would've also explained why it had the predisposition towards camouflage during the thermal goggles scene.
I mean, that's just off the top of my head.

Instead they tried to make the dinosaur seem more intelligent, but ended up making the humans seem unintelligent.

Also I got the impression Vincent D'Nofrio was obsessed with the idea of a field test, regardless of sacrificing his men.

But once again I was tripping on shrooms when I watched it. I'll watch it again tonight.

So I just saw Inside Out. Very well-done! I enjoyed it very much, and I'm really happy that my high expectations weren't shot down.