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Jul 25, 2015 5:28 PM #1386853
Hello all, and welcome this new wRHG battle!
On one side you have the battle by The Shadowolf: The Wolf and The Runist!
(Side Note: I have had security issues with my doc server, so if there is an issue with the link, please notify me.)

And on this side, the fight of the amazing Runist, Marcus Regulus: The Wolf and The Runist!

Please enjoy their combat.
If you happen to be unfamiliar with these Rock Hard Gladiators, then here are their personal profiles:

Marcus The Runist

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Jul 25, 2015 5:31 PM #1386854
Congrats to my opponent on a good fight. I will let the horde of hecklers do all the CnC that they want, but there is one issue that I feel that I am best qualified to discuss: my char.

In short, it seems that The Shadowolf was generally underpowered in your story. Essentially, you fought Maxar, the Celt with the cool weps, not The Shadowolf, warrior changed and empowered by the Reaver.

You make only 8 or 9 references to his quasi-Lycan AND dark metalist abilities COMBINED. What’s more, these are cursory at best have little if any impact on your story.

Additionally, your characterization of Shado was in opposition to his profile on many points. I will give a quick run down here:

The Shadowolf inconsistencies (Click to Show)


I don’t mean to seem hypercritical, but I think opponent representation is a major factor in wRHG’s, and thus worthy of the time I have given it here.

Nevertheless, I give Aric my best of wishes for this battle, D.V.

P.S. -- Aric, I want you to give me the rundown as well. Every critique makes a better writer.
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Jul 25, 2015 6:11 PM #1386860
I'm giving this one to Shadowolf, simply because his story is a bit more fleshed out and more of the situation is explained.
Still, it kind of concerns me of how short both of these stories are. I may not be the one you wantto hear it out of, but isn't there more to be explained?
I'll make a CnC another day, right now I'll just place a vote.
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Jul 25, 2015 8:08 PM #1386883
Okay guys. I voted for Shadowolf because it seemed more detailed and easier to follow. Anyways. I have one really major problem with each of you.

Shadowolf: You stop the story to explain things in parenthesis. You shouldn't have anything in the story that doesn't fit or can't be explained without stopping the story.

Eric Kale: Yours is a bit more serious. The perspective shifts several times without warning. I quickly forgot who's perspective I was reading from. You don't want to keep switching constantly. And if you do, you need some indicator like Vern's.
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Jul 25, 2015 8:37 PM #1386899
Oh my. I must say from first looks I'm already impressed. Two new guys and the stories aren't filled with spelling mistakes, bad grammar, and awful plot (from what I can tell).
I'll proceed with CnC in a bit... for now I'll read.
To Shadow (Click to Show)


I must say Shadow, I am impressed... and too lazy to do Aric's right now.

Aric, you judgement is coming. (Click to Show)


While Aric had 7 sins (hue, that was unintentional) to Shado's 10, Shado's were less serious. In fact, Aric, with all the "Yes, bafahojoa'sfjic" and odd speech from character perspective, you dropped the quality of your work. For that, my vote goes to Shadowolf.

But, impressive showing from the both of you. I've never seen two new guys show up and have such quality. You both have a ways to go, but you're definitely some of the best rookies we've had yet... I wash I was this good when I started out...
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Jul 25, 2015 9:33 PM #1386917
Thanks for making that point, Urako...
Since brogue is part of Shado's character, though many readers will need it translated, I can't remove it (which, if I recall correctly, is the only thing I explained). So, since I will still keep it, where would you suggest the translation? Instead of parenthesis, I could always to footnotes at the page bottoms, or a glossary at the end, for those who wanted to use it.
Would that improve the matter?
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Jul 25, 2015 11:00 PM #1386940
I'll say right now, I think Shado has this one.
I didn't put as much time into the story as I'd have liked to, due to life getting in the way, but I'm impressed by Shado's story regardless.

To be perfectly honest, when you said you wrote 6 pages in less than a day, I couldn't expect much.

After reading your edition of the duel, I only have a few comments.

You mention once that "Marcus activated a protective rune and tossed it
into the air in above him..."
My only issue with that statement is that Runes are stationary. He would have been struck by the molten metal and then sloughed through it, protected by the Rune.
Also, it was a little bit difficult to tell at times if you thought that precharged Runes required Life Force to activate, but it's not a big deal.

I don't think Marcus was written incredibly out of character, so congratulations on that.

On your finishing move with a bed of daggers. I don't know what you're thinking of when you say daggers, but if they're even 6 inches long and piercing his legs and lower body...he's dead. Especially if he's out of LF and (likely) concussed by a sniper bullet that just knocked him out.
See, if he's been stabbed from the belly button and below, most of his important intestines are damaged beyond repair. And he may never walk again.

As for your critique towards me, I apologize. I had about 2 more pages that I wanted to write but I ran out of time for.
Yeah, there are some inconsistencies. I think my brand of logic was that Shado was fooled by his eyes. He sensed strength, but saw disabilities and it made him lose focus, since he's not used to RHG battles.

They fought close combat because Marcus wouldn't let up. The Runist knew that he needed to be on the offensive. Unfortunately, I wasn't detailed enough, so that's not entirely obvious.

The whole fight is less detailed and creative than I would've liked it to be. It's definitely not my best work, and I'm still trying to figure out how to use other player's characters.

To be perfectly honest, the whole deal with how Shado controls and summons metal is incredibly confusing to me, and I had your character sheet up the entire time.
He can control metal that he didn't generate, and he can summon metal from (alternate dimensions?) somewhere, but not from the ground? Honestly, I'm not sure what was going on.

Basically, by the end of the battle, Shado isn't exactly in his most rational mindset, so he doesn't focus enough to use his powers.
As for why he doesn't just tear Marcus in two, it's because Marcus used the power of words.

He very quickly explained that if Shado struggled and even beat him, the wolf man would forever be missing an arm. I assumed that he'd rather have an arm than a victory. Ergo, the weaker man won against the stronger man.
"To Quote" (Click to Show)

I've bolded the points that should better explain what I mean.

Also, I felt like you had Marcus run out of Life Force fairly quickly, both stored and internal. Though, I suppose it's not easy to gauge.

I think for a first real fight, it went alright. I hope to improve drastically as I continue on in wRHG.
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Jul 25, 2015 11:39 PM #1386959
Well, i gave my Vote to Shadowolf as well.

As Ken Rou mentioned before it was more "fleshed out", you had a richer description of what was happening, and even though Aric's story was actually easier for me to follow, it kinda lacked descriptions, what i really didn't like was this part:
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When you read something like that, its just...i dunno, you can't really feel that they were fighting for that long. You forget about it, one sentence later...

Btw, im next on a chopping block...kinda feel like im screwed xD
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Jul 26, 2015 2:05 AM #1387002
Quote from MrSkully

Btw, im next on a chopping block...kinda feel like im screwed xD


Just do your best...Or forfeit. (Which is lame unless real life demands it.)
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Jul 26, 2015 2:13 AM #1387005
Or don't accept the challenge in the first place, which is only slightly less weaksauce than a forfeit.

Anywho, I edited my first post here with the CnC for Shadow's work.
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Jul 26, 2015 9:37 PM #1387429
Malacal, I definately need to comment.


Redeeming my "sins" (Click to Show)


So, in short, I should not have made that statement about "sodden." I accept that, and will not do it again.

Otherwise, your critiques seem to be based mostly in a lack of imformation on your part, but I don't mind. I enjoy having the opportunity to pass on a few bits of information now and then.

Lastly, I cannot decide if your last statement -- that you were "impressed" -- was meant with sarcasm or not. I will take it as a legitimate complement, however.
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Jul 26, 2015 9:47 PM #1387431
*definitely, information, and compliment.

Also, I'd like to thank malacal for pointing out inconsistencies in Marcus' speech.

Sorry if I sound like an ass.
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Jul 27, 2015 2:11 AM #1387532
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There are better ways of switching perspectives of characters, like saying their names and then describing how they see things and what they're doing. You did this well enough that you don't need the odd spacing pattern.

Okay, canid is not a word I am familiar with so you're redeemed for that one.

Your phrase was poorly worded, that is why I suggested as I had.

Lothian is indeed a complex word that you needed to define. Weakling is a close enough synonym that you could use it the way I had so the reader understands without their being goofy brackets.

You should not have two characters speaking in the same paragraph, ever. because of things such as the rules you mentioned, it becomes a headache to determine who is speaking sometimes.

A nuclear blast, no matter how small is still a nuclear blast.

I am not insulting their works. You should either do as they did and not offer a translation, or just say that's it's incoherent.
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Jul 28, 2015 12:48 AM #1387983
If you actually think that I could safely do without translations, then great. I would be more than happy to take that advice. I assumed that people would want translations for difficult parts.

While I still would not use weakling for Lothian, I understand your point, and could use perhaps and appositive phrase to further describe it, since I think one word would not be enough.

What you just said here clarifies what you were talking about with my dialogue. Your original critique was slightly vague on that point, and led me to think that you were referring to speech by the same char, not different ones. I entirely understand now, and will make sure to pay attention to that. (I usually do, so thank you for catching it).

Yes, a nuclear blast is still a nuclear blast. But you must remember (and I will write more about this in Shado's char page to help in the future) the small about of nuclear material that fits in the tip of his spear would have less power than a large pile of TnT. It's just a heck of a lot more portable. If you notice, the blast does not even entirely destroy the machine shop (see where I reference a still standing wall), nor does it harm Shado's hastily constructed blast-shelter. When I say micro-nuke, I mean MICRO.

I also realize that you do not intend to be insulting. However, referring to brogue as "incoherent" is not exactly a preferable means of describing it. I am a bit more sensitive to this because it is a large part of my heritage, (Scott is actually a distant relative of mine on my mother's side, for example). I understand your point (see what I said at the beginning). I just think another term (such as "cursing under his breath" or even plainly saying "in his native brogue") might be a bit more applicable in this case, don't you agree?

I do sincerely appreciate the time you took to clarify this second time, as it was definitely helpful.
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Jul 29, 2015 2:41 AM #1388571
Ah links, my third greatest nemesis, right behind Nemesis himself and my personal spelling.

But anyway!

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