SP Mafia VII: Avengers, Disassembled! | GAME OVER: Congratulations to the Skrull!

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Dec 5, 2015 7:35 AM #1420917
It's worth looking into Devour. Zero said before that our sights are set on her if she doesn't speak up.

But then again if you know that you are on the "at risk" list and you still don't respond, maybe that just means that you really are just busy in real life or cbf. If that is the case the Hewitt prod needs to do some extra poking.


That sounds gross.
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Dec 5, 2015 7:46 AM #1420919
I'm at risk? It doesn't seem like it. Everything anyone said was that they wanted to lynch Lami because he was inactive and did nothing to defend himself when pressed. No offense to him, but that's just Lamitrov. If anyone has real reason to think I'm a risk, let me know and I'll clear it up
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Dec 5, 2015 7:50 AM #1420920
No no no. Mantha is at risk. Apologies for the vagueness.
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Dec 5, 2015 8:59 AM #1420925
I still suggest we lynch someone who has posted without contributing enough content. I don't want to buy into this "veterans of the game beat us to the punch, so we had nothing to contribute" nonsense.

Most of Mantha's posts were about the deadline but I felt her plea was passionate enough to be given the benefit of the doubt. However, there is the possible theory that the Mafia WERE going to do something, and assigned the task to Mantha, and she failed to act before the deadline, which was why nothing happened on Day 1 from the Mafia side. However, the game was retconned for the Deadline to have been extended, and no one still died. But obviously she would have changed her actions to avoid suspicion since she missed the deadline IF this is all true.

I would like some clarification on Exilement from this. In his PMs to Mantha (and I'm assuming there were, since her powers are useful from the get-go) did he feel like she did her job adequately enough to be kept on board?

Also, Jelly, if you don't mind, you seem to be quite suspicious of Raptor, could you explain this a little more? It is sending alarm bells in my head about one of you, but I don't know which one.
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Dec 5, 2015 9:29 AM #1420930
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I agree with the theories that Jelly and Raptor were talking of before, and I think that's the best theory we can give at the moment considering all the possibilities.

But those theories had so much "it could be this, but that doesn't make much sense" in it lol.

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Thanks for the summary Jelly.

Following your list I would say that the likely candidates for lynching today are either Raptor or Devi. Besides inactivity their powers aren't exactly high tier and we can live without too much hurt if they were gone. I.e. Our Skrull hunting task force is still in tact.

I'm edging towards Raptor as I think Devi and Zero can work together to access thay euthanize ray.

I disagree about Raptor not being a high tier power, it actually has a lot of potential messing up the Skrull (that said it could also really mess up the town lol), I also don't think Devi would be that important to using the Euthanizer Ray, all we have to do is have Exile say we should vote so we can use it and anyone apposed to doing so will painting a target on their backs.

I feel like anyone below 15 posts should be considered a candidate for a lynch (it's D3, Day lasts like 6 days, and "a post a day average" seems reasonable), for there we should comb through those peoples past posts and look for anything that stands out, if there is nothing we lynch the person with the ability least useful to us.

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Also, Jelly, if you don't mind, you seem to be quite suspicious of Raptor, could you explain this a little more? It is sending alarm bells in my head about one of you, but I don't know which one.

Hmmm, it's not quite suspicion yet, more of a raised eyebrow at his actions. He's an intelligent dude yet he really hasn't contributed anything, he calls two people out as the most suspicious players so far for the reason that they're inactive when he wasn't any more active than either of them, and then despite thinking they were the most suspicious he didn't vote. I dunno, it's not massively suspicious it's just really strange.
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Dec 5, 2015 9:35 AM #1420931
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I feel like anyone below 15 posts should be considered a candidate for a lynch

Just gotta point out, I strongly disagree with this strategy. Following this, we could consider Exilement a candidate for a lynch. This means it isn't reliable at all. If we have nothing to make us suspicious about someone except that their post count falls below a set number, we have a lot more problems than who to lynch :p

If we think logically, we'll be fine and maybe we can avoid lynching important people who are most likely innocent.
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Dec 5, 2015 9:38 AM #1420932
You know, we can always start with those users who keep saying "Sorry, [INSERT EXCUSE HERE]". Note, I say "who keep saying".

How about that then?
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Dec 5, 2015 9:45 AM #1420934
Well, I guess that's a step up. I could see the Mafia wanting to hide in a guise of inactivity and just cruise to lategame below everyone's radars.
That's how people survived my Running the Gauntlet games. Ironically, it's the active players who are trying to win and who aren't afraid of starting conflict who become targeted. The ones who don't play sometimes do better, even though it's a boring strategy.

But even if we do that, I want to actually think our target is mafia before voting them off... unless we're close to the random kill happening. Let's pressure one of those guys then, and then judge based on their reactions.

Edit: To continue that, let me make a judgement of character here. Who out of the inactives would be intelligent enough, but who is also willing to not play the game to win it? I don't think Raptor is one of those guys. If any, I'd have to point this proverbial finger at either Apex or Devi.
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Dec 5, 2015 9:48 AM #1420935
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Well, I guess that's a step up. I could see the Mafia wanting to hide in a guise of inactivity and just cruise to lategame below everyone's radars.
That's how people survived my Running the Gauntlet games. Ironically, it's the active players who are trying to win and who aren't afraid of starting conflict who become targeted. The ones who don't play sometimes do better, even though it's a boring strategy.

But even if we do that, I want to actually think our target is mafia before voting them off... unless we're close to the random kill happening. Let's pressure one of those guys then, and then judge based on their reactions.

Edit: To continue that, let me make a judgement of character here. Who out of the inactives would be intelligent enough, but who is also willing to not play the game to win it? I don't think Raptor is one of those guys. If any, I'd have to point this proverbial finger at either Apex or Devi.

Yeah, that's the plan.

I remembered in that one Mafia game in which Exile won by only posting 5 times or 10? Anyway, bottomline is, he won without even posting a lot. So, we can start here and interrogate but how?

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I'm fine with your picks.
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Dec 5, 2015 10:15 AM #1420936
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I'm fine with your picks.

That is awesome, but so vague. I do want to give Apex and Devi plenty of time to respond, but with no conviction we'll never get anywhere.
Not only that, but an uncaring group of folks that only have cautious commitment to being suspicious of someone leaves the suspect pretty relaxed. He'll think no one actually plans on lynching him and he'll make some excuse. That's why everyone says "Sorry, I've been [x]" after being inactive rather than making up for that inactivity by actually contributing (and its how Mafia/Antagonists get away with a silent victory). We just drop it at that.

Keep in mind, I'm not gunning for anyone with a passion. If you explain things and say actual reasons for why you simply can't be the Mafia, and it makes sense, I'll drop it in an instant. (This rule also means the accusation against you has to make sense) So with that said, how about some conviction.
Apex, I feel like most have your posts have been deliberate-sounding attempts at skimming under the radar and hiding in the crowd. I understand you haven't been on SP much lately, but that can also easily be a motivation for using that kind of strategy to survive through the rounds. Being active is time consuming. What say you to this?
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Dec 5, 2015 10:21 AM #1420937
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That is awesome, but so vague.

I've already said my points, so I felt like there is no need for me to explain why I feel that they are candidates.
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Dec 5, 2015 1:06 PM #1420956
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Thanks for the summary Jelly.

Following your list I would say that the likely candidates for lynching today are either Raptor or Devi. Besides inactivity their powers aren't exactly high tier and we can live without too much hurt if they were gone. I.e. Our Skrull hunting task force is still in tact.

I'm edging towards Raptor as I think Devi and Zero can work together to access thay euthanize ray.

I disagree, I think my power is actually powerful is used right, it just requires coordination and a few reads otherwise it kind of self-destructs.

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Edit: To continue that, let me make a judgement of character here. Who out of the inactives would be intelligent enough, but who is also willing to not play the game to win it? I don't think Raptor is one of those guys. If any, I'd have to point this proverbial finger at either Apex or Devi.

You guys may or may not believe me, but I actually have been following pretty much every single page as its been updated (with the exception of yesterday). I usually keep the idea of not talking if I don't have anything important to say. I also didn't want to say anything stupid to draw attention towards me, but in retrospect that idea probably backfired. I haven't acted too much since I thought the best strategy was to allow Exile take the lead since I felt that he was the only source of reliable information and everything else was just conjecture.

If you actually want some of my thoughts, I thought Mantha was suspicious by how she acted in N1, but her reaction could be interpreted in a number of ways. But I do think she is the most suspicious. And if I'm going to be really honest, I've been suspicious of Nish since Day 1. We were trying to share a consensus in Day 1 and try to keep the discussion in PMs, but I felt that Nish often showed opposition to Exile and spoke out in the open. But, like I said, this is just conjecture, and there are a number of ways to interpret Nish's actions, and I'd have to re-examine the first few pages of the game to re-organize my thoughts.


I also don't believe Devour is a skrull for several reasons. First, he replaced someone for inactivity. Lamnitrov is still active in other parts of the forum, which makes me believe that he just wasn't interested in participating, and ergo probably wasn't a skrull. Second, he tried to defend people, which I don't think is something the skrull would do; ideally, he would want to encourage lynching as many avengers as possible and support the mantra of lynching inactives since skrulls will most likely be the active players.

I also think Zero is an avenger, but that's honestly just a gut feeling if anything. I also think YWJ is an avenger because he went into a realistic depth about what he thought went on at night as an avenger and not a skrull, but that's all I have to base it on.

If we're talking about getting rid of inactivity, I think that Apex is more suspicious than me than anything.
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Dec 5, 2015 2:23 PM #1420966
That last part would be a pretty good strategy, actually. We should get a list of people we absolutely know are avengers, and then focus the night's actions on those who are suspects.
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Dec 5, 2015 2:29 PM #1420967
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We should get a list of people we absolutely know are avengers, and then focus the night's actions on those who are suspects.

How do we know who is absolutely an avenger though?

Since Loki is out, there isn't a problem on giving off information on who is who here now since all the Skrull's know each other but since Agent Coulson is out, how are we going to do this? I don't mind doing logical assumptions though and just lynching those who are inactive, just as per original plan.
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Dec 5, 2015 3:30 PM #1420973
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That last part would be a pretty good strategy, actually. We should get a list of people we absolutely know are avengers, and then focus the night's actions on those who are suspects.

I mean its a nice idea to start out with, but it's not really that ideal. We can narrow down a few suspects at best, but that's about it. Even then, there's absolutely no way to determine who are definitely avengers or not, otherwise this wouldn't be so difficult.