It's up to you guys, really. as of right now they both seem like prime candidates assuming your memory is accurate.

Yes but Apex is a prime candidate regardless of my memory. Thats why I asked. But I do think Devour is the bigger threat among the two because he seems to give a shit about the game. Also Apex can have a chance to redeem himself, we can FORCE him to protect the person of your choosing if he wants to 'prove' he isn't Mafia. Devour's powers are mostly useless apart from just to protect himself. So maybe it should remain on Devour.

I gotta ask, who WAS protected in N3 if not Boomy? Was anyone at all?

He didn't tell Exile who he was protecting, so we'll have to wait from Apex and I'm sure he'll give us some bullshit answer. He better have a fucking good reason not to have protected Boom. It is impossible that Apex can't be a Mafia, in my mind, but he isn't dangerous because we all know who he is. So we lynch Devour first, and then Apex.

Yeah, absolutely. I'm on board, I was just asking.

I better stop posting when I'm tired, else I'll be eating my own words about being more careful.

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#vote apex

he said he was going to protect Boomer last night, changed his mind at the very last second and didn't tell me who his new target is. I genuinely can't think of a reason to keep him around.

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I guess I should have given a name, that would have been more helpful. My bad!

Oh dear. How to defend against something that was done before I was even playing?

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I'm foolish foolish foolish. I am really very foolish and I can't believe this slipped past me. Guys, I received a PM from Lami at the start of the game, but I deleted it because I needed my inbox clear and because I thought it was a stupid idea to begin with and I brushed it out of my mind. Foolish foolish foolish. After I chewed out Zero for telling me who to jump on in public, Lamitrov pm'ed me and said that the Hulk was the safest player in the game for me to jump onto, and that I probably should latch on to the Hulk. I don't remember his reasoning but I thought he was being helpful because a LOT of ideas were being thrown around then about where I should jump, including Enjoy's amazing chart.

If Xate had died on the first night, my suspicions would have been aroused but by the time, but he didn't and I let it go and I seem to have forgotten about it as just another suggestion from a guy learning Mafia for the first time. I'm seeing only now from Exile that Xate DID get attacked on the first night, foolish foolish foolish. Either Lamitrov gave me an incredibly co-incidental guess, or he knew what they were planning to do. It also answers my question as to WHY they would want to lynch someone like Xate / Hulk in the first place when so many more vital Avengers were left untouched. They were trying to kill two birds in one stone.

Sorry Devour, but you're back on my suspects list seeing how you replaced Lamitrov. I'm also sorry guys, for letting this slip my mind. I've been busy and occupied IRL for reasons I've explained and this seems to have completely slipped under my radar.

This totally blows me away. Why would a mafia player who has their sights set on Ant-Man, early in the game with so many protections, act so catastrophically suspicious to go after the hardest target to kill in the game? And one of the lowest priority ones, too. You don't have any night abilities.
The mafia would want people like Raptor and Mantha and Coulson out asap as possible, and then move onto shielders maybe. I really see no reason why they would have wanted to go after you.

My theory is that Lami was trying really hard to get on your good side and appear innocent because you're usually the first guy to take control of the town. You've buttblasted him before in previous games. No mafia would be stupid enough to paint a neon target on their backs for maximum risk and minimum gain. I think I know what really happened, but I'll address that later in my post.

I've been playing so hard for the town all game long as soon as I got here. On day 2 I fought against Zero's apathy to actually getting things accomplished, and succeeded. Now the town is active again and the thread is full of people talking and actually figuring shit out. I've been playing so actively because I want to utilize my Iron Man ability. They have to waste 2 turns killing me. As of right now I know I still have two lives left, so I'm going to fight to hell and back to win this for the town.

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that is some grade-A bullshit Lamitrov was feeding you. he never once PMed me (devour hasn't yet either), if he had a single reason to trust Xate AND reason to trust you with that information AND was legitimately on my side you would think he would mention it to me. I got nothing. What could he possibly think he could organize behind-the-scenes to the benefit of the town on D1 without involving me in any way whatsoever?

I don't have a night ability. Of course I wouldn't PM you, there's nothing to say :p What could I provide except, "I do nothing" every single night?
That's the thing though. I don't think Lami was trying to benefit the town exactly--he was probably trying to make Nish like him and potentially take him under his wing and protect him if he ever got a finger pointed his way.

Quote from Nish]I think his pm was more along the lines of advice, because they were all in the midst of a discussion in the thread about what Ant Man should do, and I was yelling at Zero for telling me to stay put (my problem wasn't his advice but the fact that he was saying it in public). But the pieces do fit. It explains why they went after Hulk. I don't think he said we could trust Xate. But I assumed he felt that even if Xate was Mafia, they wouldn't target each other. But the overall gist of the message, like I said, was that Ant-Man should shrink on to the Hulk because that would be the safest place. Fortunately, I was in a much safer hiding place for both rounds.[/quote]

I did a bit of skimming the previous pages and found this discussion. Here, you said:

Quote from Not_NishI don't get the math either on how NOT using my powers is actually mathematically better. What if I was to latch on to Iron Man or the Hulk who are protected from one kill-action?
Was this from before Lamitrov PM'd you? Either way, let me get to my real point.
In this phase of the game, Loki was still alive. Let's look at it from his point of view. To Loki, you're indeed one of the most influential members in the game. You have always been good for rallying the town to lynch a suspected Mafia. Now, with you announcing that either me or Hulk would be good targets for you to hop onto, which out of the two of us would he choose to kill in trying to kill you? He would go after the Hulk and potentially kill him in one night, rather than being forced to wail on Iron Man twice.

I think Loki attacked the Hulk, missed, and attacked again rather than wasting [I

another[/I] two turns hitting Iron Man. He's the one who would actually want you dead, and you're the one who was actually a threat to him. Going after you early is exactly what the Mafia would not want to do, and doing so after prodding you to maybe hop onto the Hulk and maybe get a kill (and mind you, if it fails then Lamitrov suddenly has a huge target on his face for zero gain) is silly.

[quote=Nish]Assuming both Apex and Devour are Mafia, as we suspect, this could have been a beautiful plan for them to pull the wool over our eyes. Apex, because his role is vital to the strategy, and Devour because he can now claim to have contributed a potentially life-saving plan. All while happily picking us off one by one.

Apex has been disappointing to me all game long. He's standing for what I was trying super hard to fight against: town-wide apathy to just let the game run while being too bored to contribute anything. My plan was a plan to make him actually be useful for once, because at the time I was still sure Apex just didn't give a damn about the game. I don't have anything to do with him outside of that.

I'm still arguing for something I wasn't even around to see. But know that I am absolutely for the town, and I will die to help save the game if I must. Don't let mob mentality bring me down because I've been showing my innocence through action from the moment I got here and I absolutely will refute any points at me that I might be Mafia. Just be reasonable and let me actually defend myself, or we'll just have another repeat of Raptor, and almost every mafia game here beforehand.

Edit: I see you lurkin' Zero. I don't mean it was only your apathy. It was something that gripped the entire town at the time. It was just you I was talking to at that moment, with my attempts to get things going being brushed off.

Edit 2: Everyone who could reply is offline right now, so I'm just sitting here waiting for responses...

I've been doing some thinking, and I'm starting to have some serious suspicions and ideas on what happened to Raptor. But I'm not going to bring this up until I've cleared my name.